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Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 #4600355
12/11/17 02:06 AM
12/11/17 02:06 AM
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Port Orange, Florida
Panzerman Offline OP
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I got a subscription to Car and Driver magazine because it was a good deal and I will say I have been enjoying it but thier top 10 pick is Bull and a bit agrevates me.
Being I own a Challenger and I am pretty much a Dodge and Ford guy I read that they didn't consider the Challenger since it hasn't changed since it's reentrance and they talked about the Hellcat but stated the Demon just wasn't in a price range that could be considered practical. Ok?
Now let's look at some of their Top 10 picks. Corvette, yeah, that's practical two seater, price ranges right in there for a middle income class, Chevy Camaro V6/V8, have they changed since they were introduced because you can still barely see out the windows, blind spots galore. Mazda Miata, are you serious, two seater and a trunk big enough for your half your age girlfriends make up bag, practical.But the Best one, Mercedes Benz AMG. Really, That's in a price range of what a house?
Sorry, I am venting but it's quite clear these tests and results are compromised. Not one Ford, really cause I see as many Fords as Toyotas who I don't think got any kudos either.



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Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600357
12/11/17 02:49 AM
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Their 10 best list is pretty misleading. It's basically the 10 best new cars. Which means that some older car could be better, but it's not new so it doesn't make their list.

Also the best is the E43 which some consider isn't a real AMG as that would be something like the E63 or S63/S65. It probably should have been called something like the E550 but they got rid of that in 2015. The E43 starts at about 72k but if you throw in the P3 package along with a few other options, you're well over 80k.

The E400 sedan should be out next year so that should be a little bit lower in price.

Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600375
12/11/17 05:17 AM
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Maybe 10 best fun to drive vehicles.

Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600380
12/11/17 05:29 AM
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North Carolina
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If you're so upset, why not write to them?


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Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: rooflessVW] #4600411
12/11/17 06:32 AM
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Please, I blew off such "Top 10 Lists" when I was a kid.

OOOhhhhh, it's the newest...it's the best....it's improved.....just marketing to look good in print.

I'd bet placement decisions have been made on such lists relevant to the pictures they had on hand.

Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600415
12/11/17 06:42 AM
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I gave up on these 10 best lists. They seem very biased like they are getting paid to praise some of these cars.


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Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600417
12/11/17 06:43 AM
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Margate England
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Possibly the 10 best 'Fun to drive if someone else is paying' list.
Want 100 different top 10 lists of best anything?, simple, ask 100 people for their opinions.

Claud.

Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Wolf359] #4600428
12/11/17 06:52 AM
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Michigan
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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Their 10 best list is pretty misleading. It's basically the 10 best new cars. Which means that some older car could be better, but it's not new so it doesn't make their list.


Completely false. New or significantly changes vehicles are the focus, but winners from the previous year get an automatic pass to compete in the next year's 10 Best competition. This is how the Accord has ended up on the list every year for decades despite not being new or significantly changed from one year to the next.

And seriously? Dodge Challenger?

Think of this: The Dodge Challenger hasn't had a significant refresh since it was introduced when George W. Bush was president.

Camaro was all new in 2016. Mustang was all new in 2015. Same Challenger since 2009.

Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600432
12/11/17 07:03 AM
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Does anyone really think it's all legit? Motortrend named the 2006 Honda Civic as car of the year.




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Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600442
12/11/17 07:24 AM
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New England
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Nobody would care much about the list if it didn't change substantially from year to year, interest in what's going to be new on the list is what's going to drive sales for that issue.


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Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600444
12/11/17 07:26 AM
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Port Orange, Florida
Panzerman Offline OP
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I dont think I could shoot a shotgun into the parking lot if a Walmart and not hit 10 Mustangs. Seems they are a top seller. Really surprised not to see them over a Camaro.



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Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600475
12/11/17 08:25 AM
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I agree with your view on the Camaro...I sat in one not too long ago and the outward visibility is absolutely horrible. The Vette being named one of the top cars doesn't surprise me as it's a world class sports car at a bargain price compared to the prices of the cars it's comparable too. It doesn't surprise me that the Challenger isn't on the list...the Hellcat and Demon versions are basically just overpowered bricks...

Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600476
12/11/17 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
I dont think I could shoot a shotgun into the parking lot if a Walmart and not hit 10 Mustangs. Seems they are a top seller. Really surprised not to see them over a Camaro.


Mustangs are as common as a penny...good cars, but they can be a bit boring...

Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600478
12/11/17 08:27 AM
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The Deep Swamp
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
I dont think I could shoot a shotgun into the parking lot if a Walmart and not hit 10 Mustangs. Seems they are a top seller. Really surprised not to see them over a Camaro.


I would not recommend trying that! Simply count 10 Mustangs..

Re: Car and Driver's Top 10 picks for 2018 [Re: Panzerman] #4600504
12/11/17 09:23 AM
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About 30 + years ago I found magazines disgusting. All they dois promote theiradvertisers.


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