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Making new springs? #4600246
12/10/17 09:15 PM
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JHZR2 Offline OP
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Need to make a new spring for this:



A piece from an old mortise lock.

What's the best source/approach? Are there special methods for bending springs so they work properly?

Re: Making new springs? [Re: JHZR2] #4600255
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Go to the right flea mkt. Get an entire lock or a reproduction hardware site or McMaster Carr??


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Re: Making new springs? [Re: JHZR2] #4600268
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How big? The ignition points i put in my tractor looked like that.


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Re: Making new springs? [Re: JHZR2] #4600286
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If you cannot find a reproduction,

you can get the correct type of steel, anneal it (soften)

cut, shape, form......

Hardening it to the correct temp is very, very tricky to do on a part that small.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Making new springs? [Re: JHZR2] #4600423
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Fortunately it's a non critical part, just want it right...

What is the right type of stee?

I'm not interested in a reproduction lock set, this one works perfect aside from this spring. Something else had fallen inside of the assembly, which can be understood after nearly 100 years...

Re: Making new springs? [Re: JHZR2] #4600443
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Start off with this..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FLAT-SPRING-STEEL-ASSORTMENT-MORTISE-LOCK-REPAIR/401307926188?hash=item5d6fd0feac:g:NfkAAOSwPcVVgecN


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Re: Making new springs? [Re: JHZR2] #4600445
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You can order music wire from McMaster Carr if you think a round spring can work. It can bend in hard condition. The Spot weld will be more difficult unless you have a spot welder. You could bend a 90 on the spring and then use some well cured JB weld it might work.

Rod

Re: Making new springs? [Re: JHZR2] #4600462
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You can order music wire from McMaster Carr if you think a round spring can work. It can bend in hard condition. The Spot weld will be more difficult unless you have a spot welder. You could bend a 90 on the spring, put in in a drilled hole and then use some well cured JB weld it might work.

Rod

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Re: Making new springs? [Re: JHZR2] #4600547
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Our Ace Hardware has music/piano wire in 3 foot lengths & different thicknesses.


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Re: Making new springs? [Re: Trav] #4600560
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Originally Posted By: Trav


Enough there to do a LOT of locks!

Take the one you need, sell the rest again......


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Making new springs? [Re: ragtoplvr] #4600566
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Originally Posted By: ragtoplvr
You can order music wire from McMaster Carr if you think a round spring can work. It can bend in hard condition. The Spot weld will be more difficult unless you have a spot welder. You could bend a 90 on the spring and then use some well cured JB weld it might work.

Rod


Fortunately it is not a spot weld, just a punched spot to either index the spring or help it stay.

Id like to learn how to properly shape and craft spring steel. Not sure how useful of a skill it will be for me, but it will be fun.

Re: Making new springs? [Re: JHZR2] #4600824
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Making springs can be difficult. Spring steel is not very ductile. I believe they are formed first, then heat treated to make them "springy." It's called bainitic hardening. That's why spring metal snaps when you try to form them further.

Maybe you can use a metal tube to "sleeve" both ends together.


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