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You Want To See Tight Formation ? #4599669
12/10/17 09:59 AM
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Glendale, Arizona
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Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: billt460] #4599684
12/10/17 10:10 AM
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I'd bet on radar that looks like a single blip.

GO NAVY!

Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: billt460] #4599690
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Best not stir up a hornets nest wink

Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: 4WD] #4599698
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
Best not stir up a hornets nest wink



?


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Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: SLO_Town] #4599701
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F/A-18 Hornet (or Super Hornet)

Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: billt460] #4599705
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Nobody does close formation better than the Blue Angels.

Thunderbirds put on a really great show, I was inspired to fly when I first saw the Thunderbirds at Pease AFB over 30 years ago, but they're a lot farther apart.

I'll pause here while the USAF fan-boys attempt to deny the reality...

Last edited by Astro14; 12/10/17 10:26 AM.

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Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: billt460] #4599713
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Saw the Blue Angels at an air show about 20 years ago. Gave me goosebumps. Simply amazing.


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Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: billt460] #4599714
12/10/17 10:41 AM
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GO NAVY! I make it a point to see them when they fly out of Republic Airport and do the airshow at Jones Beach.


God Bless Our Troops

Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: billt460] #4599717
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The Blue Angles are the best . What a work out doing that kind of flying.


"Don't let your preconceived notions get in the way of facts."
Geoff Metcalf
Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: billt460] #4599723
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The Thunderbirds are kind of boring compared to the Blue Angels.

First show I saw with the Skyhawks was amazing..... the Hornets make it even a better show.

Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: billt460] #4599724
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I read somewhere that their planes are set up for flying with the pilots having to resist a lot of forward pressure constantly being applied on the stick. Does anyone know the reason for that? This is all I could find.

"“Springs” refers to the mechanical device that Blue Angels jets have attached to the control stick that creates 7 pounds of forward pressure, which allows pilots more positive control and allows them to fly smoother."

http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/h...o-super-hornets

Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: billt460] #4599753
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgIlKRj68qQ

Start at 1:29 and tell me who flies closer.

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Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: Astro14] #4599782
12/10/17 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted By: Astro14
Nobody does close formation better than the Blue Angels.

Thunderbirds put on a really great show, I was inspired to fly when I first saw the Thunderbirds at Pease AFB over 30 years ago, but they're a lot farther apart.

I'll pause here while the USAF fan-boys attempt to deny the reality...
Does the air force land their planes on aircraft carriers
as a hide standard operating procedure?


"Don't let your preconceived notions get in the way of facts."
Geoff Metcalf
Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: billt460] #4599839
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Originally Posted By: billt460
I read somewhere that their planes are set up for flying with the pilots having to resist a lot of forward pressure constantly being applied on the stick. Does anyone know the reason for that? This is all I could find.

"“Springs” refers to the mechanical device that Blue Angels jets have attached to the control stick that creates 7 pounds of forward pressure, which allows pilots more positive control and allows them to fly smoother."

http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/h...o-super-hornets


The spring adds about 30# of force to the stick, pulling it forward. The Blues feel that the constant pull allows more precise control of pitch.

The pilots lift weights every day and run every day. Cardio workouts to sustain the level of effort and strength training to handle both the stick forces and G forces. They fly without G-suits, as their stick arm (right arm) rests on their right thigh. The inflation/deflation of the G suit is thought to move the fulcrum on which they move the stick and degrade precision.

I don't agree with the last point, having flown a lot of formation, and having flown the F/A-18, but it is their position that it improves precision.

Flying without a G suit in a 7.5G airplane has also killed some of the Blue Angel pilots, including a friend named Kevin Colling.

What these guys do is tremendously challenging. They do it incredibly well.

But it is not without risk. .


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Re: You Want To See Tight Formation ? [Re: billt460] #4599852
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Both teams are amazing, from their talent to their training to the machines they fly. They are incredible to watch and both bring a huge sense of pride to the combined military forces of the US.

One doesn't have to be 'better'. You don't have to choose one.

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