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Fuel Dilution - FAQ #4599227
12/09/17 06:44 PM
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LOL

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Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: StevieC] #4599371
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Goes on a bit.

(fuel dilution) "is why the service interval has a time limit as well as a mileage limit" (probably not an exact quote but close enough) doesn't appear to make sense.

Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: StevieC] #4599386
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Excessive idling / stop-go traffic. Low miles but high fuel dilution because of lots of injection cycles and/or low temps not heating the oil enough to evaporate some of the fuel.


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Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: StevieC] #4599393
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
Excessive idling / stop-go traffic. Low miles but high fuel dilution because of lots of injection cycles and/or low temps not heating the oil enough to evaporate some of the fuel.


I dunno. Are low miles necessarily, or even generally, slow miles?

I was thinking of my own situation, where the car is mostly recreational use so infrequent but gets up to temperature when it is used.

Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: StevieC] #4599420
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It really depends on what temperature the oil reaches and for how long to help evaporate the contaminants. Then if it spends more time idling than actually moving then that is a factor as well as my first point. grin2


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Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: StevieC] #4599433
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That guy's a bit "snotty" ... LOL Guess he thinks that gets subscribers.

Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: StevieC] #4599671
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He is cranky for sure.... grin2


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Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: StevieC] #4599711
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I could not even finish ~ donít think Iíd send him a question and then sit and hear it mocked like a school boy Ö

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Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: StevieC] #4599737
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I would like to see some REAL data that plots % fuel vs wear. Based on 5 or so UOAs I've seen showing fuel dilution of 1 to 3% I've observed no real increase in wear. I think some of us get paranoid over the idea of fuel dilution. Ed


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Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: StevieC] #4599772
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In the norm, from reading UOAs, fuel < 1%. Fuel dilution was a major deal with carbs and chokes. In a modern car, its a non-problem.


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Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: andyd] #4599815
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Originally Posted By: andyd
In the norm, from reading UOAs, fuel < 1%. Fuel dilution was a major deal with carbs and chokes. In a modern car, its a non-problem.


I think lubricants have improved in this regard as well since then as well.

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Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: andyd] #4599855
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Originally Posted By: andyd
In the norm, from reading UOAs, fuel < 1%. Fuel dilution was a major deal with carbs and chokes. In a modern car, its a non-problem.


You're likely reading UOAs from Blackstone, which are not reliable for gauging fuel dilution. Look at Oil Analyzers/Polaris UOAs instead, which uses gas chromotography for this purpose. On Blackstone UOAs ignore fuel dilution and look at viscosity instead: you'll see lots of samples below or nearly below grade.

Fuel dilution is an issue withnDI/TGDI engines; the question is how harmful it is. But when you hear reports of increasing sump levels it can't be a non-problem.

Re: Fuel Dilution - FAQ [Re: Danh] #4600202
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Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: andyd
In the norm, from reading UOAs, fuel < 1%. Fuel dilution was a major deal with carbs and chokes. In a modern car, its a non-problem.


You're likely reading UOAs from Blackstone, which are not reliable for gauging fuel dilution. Look at Oil Analyzers/Polaris UOAs instead, which uses gas chromotography for this purpose. On Blackstone UOAs ignore fuel dilution and look at viscosity instead: you'll see lots of samples below or nearly below grade.

Fuel dilution is an issue withnDI/TGDI engines; the question is how harmful it is. But when you hear reports of increasing sump levels it can't be a non-problem.


Why not? Increasing to what level? Slight increases arenít any cause for concern-just like normal slight overfills arenít, but Iíve yet to see any pictures of major increases in overall sump volume reported here.


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