Recent Topics
Corrosion in the garage - salt or humidity?
by Kurtatron
14 minutes 34 seconds ago
Darn dogs
by AZjeff
Today at 10:21 PM
New GC?
by Bullwinkle007
Today at 10:04 PM
The guy with the plexiglass head on you tube
by andyd
Today at 09:21 PM
'07 Pacifica Timing Belt Replacement success
by 92saturnsl2
Today at 09:10 PM
SAE 90 v 85/140
by Knuckle078
Today at 09:10 PM
Mobil 1 5W30-HM 5,011 mi, 1999 Ford Escort
by WA1DH
Today at 08:45 PM
what happened to merk
by ernied
Today at 08:34 PM
Schaeffer's oil reviews on Amazon
by zfasts03
Today at 07:41 PM
Decent MP3 player
by Ed_T
Today at 07:08 PM
Letgo
by Donald
Today at 06:52 PM
Tire buying advice
by supton
Today at 06:23 PM
Two versions of M1 5w30 ESP now?
by Patman
Today at 06:21 PM
No older cars in New York State?
by Oldtom
Today at 06:19 PM
2009 Taurus strut mount noise
by terry274
Today at 04:38 PM
A3/B3 vs A3/B4, big difference or irrelevant?
by FordCapriDriver
Today at 03:36 PM
2003 Honda power steering problem
by hogpops
Today at 03:29 PM
Public Service Announcement: Flush Your HW Heater
by gathermewool
Today at 03:25 PM
Fellow 2AZ-FE toyota owners: what oil are you usin
by car51
Today at 03:21 PM
Castrol 0W40 vs 5W40??
by Realfine69
Today at 03:02 PM
Newest Members
lozpxs, danthemanx07, FunktasticLucky, Knuckle078, penncove
65317 Registered Users
Who's Online
70 registered (154cm, 77GrandPrix, 1JZ_E46, 2015_PSD, 4WD, Aero540T, 8 invisible), 1153 Guests and 56 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
65317 Members
67 Forums
285949 Topics
4771852 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 5 1 2 3 4 5 >
Topic Options
#4599021 - 12/09/17 01:39 PM No filtration at all experiment.
5AcresAndAFool Offline


Registered: 12/18/16
Posts: 421
Loc: Indiana
If someone had a car that had a canister oil filter it would be interesting to see what kind of results you would see on a UOA if you ran an OCI with no filter at all. Basically you would have the oil pickup screen which was similar to many a Aircooled Vws "oil filter".

I would actually be open to trying this on my XB if I can figure out a way to run a "Blank" filter. I guess I have figured out a way, but I am looking for cheap or free.

I know you can basically run a filter that's in bypass all the time for the same effect, but I am looking for results of clean oil in a "clean" engine.

Anyone with a canister filter car game for an experiment? I would make sure you can indeed run without the canister filter on you engine.

Anyone with a suggestion how I can run a "blank" on my car cheaply?

Top
#4599028 - 12/09/17 01:48 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 12653
Loc: NE,Ohio
No need for this experiment its obviously going to have more wear.. but there is no way to tell how much more. unless you did it for say 30000miles and had before and after teardown information.
_________________________
2017 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk V6

Top
#4599030 - 12/09/17 01:51 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
TinyVoices Offline


Registered: 09/12/16
Posts: 486
Loc: Vienna, VA
Cut open filter. Remove media. Weld shut. Done. Anyone who can weld worth a [censored] can do this easily.
_________________________
1993 Toyota MR2 Hardtop N/A - 157k miles - Valvoline Max Life 5w30
2006 Toyota Matrix XR AWD (Fiancee) - 126k miles - Valvoline Max Life 5w30

Top
#4599044 - 12/09/17 02:15 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
RedOakRanch Offline


Registered: 11/10/13
Posts: 846
Loc: Central Coast California
Could you put on a bypass adapter that looped back to itself? I'm not going to try it!
_________________________
1994 Ford Crown Vic 206k-Frankenbrew 0w20,30,40!
2005 Chevy 1500 Crewcab 4X4 178k-BC 0w30 $2/qt
2016 Outback 2.5 Limited 56k-M1 EP 0w20 $2/qt

Top
#4599050 - 12/09/17 02:19 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6178
Loc: Waco, TX
Any car from the 50's with a separate (bypass style) cannister filter would be an easy candidate.
_________________________
"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."

Top
#4599052 - 12/09/17 02:20 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6178
Loc: Waco, TX
If modern oil used in a modern engine - wear would go up, but I'll bet not too bad.
_________________________
"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."

Top
#4599055 - 12/09/17 02:22 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
jaj Offline


Registered: 08/21/03
Posts: 1060
Loc: Vancouver, Canada
I believe that Bob, The Oil Guy, actually did this test about 15 years ago. It was fine.

Early VW flat fours didn't have filters either.

Top
#4599079 - 12/09/17 02:43 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
JMJNet Offline


Registered: 09/06/07
Posts: 934
Loc: TX, USA
Sacrificing thousand dollar car for a $10 parts if it is even that much?
_________________________
  • 2017 Toyota Sienna
  • 1995 GMC Suburban 6.5L Turbo Diesel



Top
#4599090 - 12/09/17 02:59 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
danez_yoda Offline


Registered: 07/18/09
Posts: 471
Loc: texas
Just run a purilator. It has a free bypass built in. Lol

Top
#4599097 - 12/09/17 03:09 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 41805
Loc: New Jersey
The question is if people assume that an engine makes lots of particles big enough to do damage. A solvent backwash and re-filter of filter trapped particles might be telling.

Top
#4599098 - 12/09/17 03:10 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
Vladiator Offline


Registered: 01/04/16
Posts: 728
Loc: NC
All those VW bugs with no oil filters also got rebuilt very often, don't forget that part. I'be seen a couple of those flat-fours during a rebuild, not a pretty sight. Just run an oil filter with lowest filtration efficiency. Usually less efficiency equals more flow, and vice versa.


P.S. Wix Pro-tec oil filters come to mind. (Don'the quote me on that, but I believe the part number for our XB2 is 154MP.)
_________________________
Thicker oils give protection for severe operations such as driving in mountains, pulling a boat, dusty conditions, short trips, high rpm, overloading, overheating and overcooling. Thin oils give MPG.

Top
#4599101 - 12/09/17 03:13 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
rollinpete Offline


Registered: 03/20/17
Posts: 461
Loc: West Ma.
Would you gain or lose oil pressure without a filter? hide
_________________________
Pete.
97 Ford Expl.Sport 4.0 ohv 4wd 5spddrive183k miles
Last Change;
Penn. Plat. HM 5w30
Fram xg8a, Fram CA8141

I like my oil (slippery).


Top
#4599103 - 12/09/17 03:14 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
CR94 Offline


Registered: 03/20/16
Posts: 1120
Loc: Western S.C. since 1996
Use a spin-on filter that has the kind of dome-end bypass valve that's clearly visible through the threaded hole. Reach in with long-nose pliers (or whatever's easier), and rip out the bypass valve assembly, leaving an open hole. Easy! However, a tiny fraction of the oil would still go through the media, so a random particle might end up trapped on its 100th trip through the system.

I've heard of shops (a dealer, in fact) forgetting to put the new cartridge filter in after removing the old one.


Edited by CR94 (12/09/17 03:17 PM)
_________________________
2011 Toyota Prius now at 88K
1981 Mazda GLC (323) retired at 606K
1972 Subaru DL retired at 190K
1954 Chevrolet retired at 121K

Top
#4599108 - 12/09/17 03:19 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
BrocLuno Offline


Registered: 09/06/15
Posts: 5528
Loc: Kalifornia Kollective
Why ... A filter is cheap, motors not so much. Why would you do this if you did not have to ...
_________________________
Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.

Top
#4599114 - 12/09/17 03:27 PM Re: No filtration at all experiment. [Re: Vladiator]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17795
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: Vlad_the_Russian
Usually less efficiency equals more flow, and vice versa.


Only when the pump is in pressure relief, which is typically never. A more restrictive filter will make the pump hit pressure relief easier, so that's why people want to run less restrictive filters. But if you don't hammer the engine until the oil is fully warmed up, any filter will flow just as much as the next because the pump typically will never hit pressure relief unless you're running some high volume aftermarket oil pump or oil that is way too thick for what the engine is specified to use.

Top
Page 1 of 5 1 2 3 4 5 >