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#4596313 - 12/06/17 05:10 PM Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA
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Registered: 10/25/17
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I was a bit surprised at what came back, including the total lack of any moly. Will be interesting to see how it does.

Line 1 is the CJ-4 oil (packaged in Aug of 2017), Line 2 is the CK-4 oil (packaged in Oct of 2017)
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#4596331 - 12/06/17 05:33 PM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: PiperOne]
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You can thank the SN rating, check out the Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme 5w40 CK-4 itís similar to the CJ-4 Delo youíre used to but just costs more. NAPA puts it on sale for $19.99 every few months.
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#4596338 - 12/06/17 05:41 PM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: PiperOne]
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Thanks for sharing.

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#4596402 - 12/06/17 07:00 PM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: PiperOne]
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Thanks for posting! At 684PPM of phosphorus, Delo CK-4 is certainly weak sauce for Ford Powerstrokes.
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#4596448 - 12/06/17 07:43 PM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: Bighorn2500]
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Originally Posted By: Bighorn2500
You can thank the SN rating, check out the Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme 5w40 CK-4 itís similar to the CJ-4 Delo youíre used to but just costs more. NAPA puts it on sale for $19.99 every few months.


What does it test like? It is also CK-4/SN rated now... Of the majors..so far Shell is the only one I see staying away from SN except for the "Multi Vehicle" branded variant of T-6.
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#4596479 - 12/06/17 08:06 PM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: PiperOne]
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They upper the boron and dropped some ZDDP ...
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#4596754 - 12/07/17 04:35 AM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: PiperOne]
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Originally Posted By: PiperOne
What does it test like? It is also CK-4/SN rated now... Of the majors..so far Shell is the only one I see staying away from SN except for the "Multi Vehicle" branded variant of T-6.

Mobil dropped SN for some variants, too. Their E6 lube still has SN, as does their new FA-4 5w-30, since I decided to check the sheet. wink
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#4596866 - 12/07/17 08:20 AM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: PiperOne]
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Since I live and operate in North America...ACEA ratings don't matter to me. None of my equipment shows up asking for ACEA spec oils, it's Cx-x or a specific OE spec like Dexos or Cummins 20086 etc. .I'm talking about CK-4 oils..specifically 5w40 full syns. Do they have a 5w40 CK-4 that isn't SN?
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#4597062 - 12/07/17 11:37 AM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: PiperOne]
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My point was that an ACEA E6 lubricant already is at the correct phosphorus limit for API SN in ILSAC grades, so they have one less hurdle. In more general terms, the main line HDEOs all have ACEA specs of one sort or another, usually E7, E9.

Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 and Rotella 5w-40 both lack SN in their CK-4 variants, as far as I recall.
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#4597432 - 12/07/17 07:05 PM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: Garak]
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This jug was purchased two months ago:


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#4597445 - 12/07/17 07:18 PM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: PiperOne]
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#4597710 - 12/08/17 03:21 AM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: PiperOne]
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Originally Posted By: PiperOne
And yet...current (dated 12-2017)PDS on the web...

That is strange. The picture above your post shows different, of course, as did the data sheet I saw from Imperial Oil a while back. Oddly enough, though, even with the sheet lacking SM or SN, they stated under applications the old blurb about high performance gasoline engines. wink

I'd call the sheet a typo. There's no SM or SN in the API Donut, so that would be my first point of reference. But, one never knows.
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#4598341 - 12/08/17 05:31 PM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: PiperOne]
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http://www.ghberlinwindward.com/wp-conte...-4-791x1024.jpg

I read about the VPBE on the link above.
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#4598523 - 12/08/17 08:10 PM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: Bighorn2500]
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Originally Posted By: Bighorn2500
http://www.ghberlinwindward.com/wp-conte...-4-791x1024.jpg

I read about the VPBE on the link above.


Current PDS as of 06/2017...SN rated. Too bad...I like the oil you posted!

https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Do...12-ac162d889bd1

I'm wondering if something changed in the last 6 months with some kind of new chemistry becoming available or whether the customer demand for "mixed fleet" oils has made them (and others) change. Chevron initially said to me that the PC-11 (CK-4) product wouldn't really change much..the changes were all about FA-4. Now they tell me they have a "new" type of additive pack and are very boastful about how much better it will be from a wear standpoint. It also took them 7 months longer to get the CK-4 syns to market than they said it would. Cummins has confidence in the Val product obviously letting you go out to 60,000 mile drains.
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#4598563 - 12/08/17 08:58 PM Re: Delo 5w40 Syn CJ-4 vs CK-4 VOA [Re: PiperOne]
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Loc: Michigan, USA
Originally Posted By: PiperOne
Originally Posted By: Bighorn2500
http://www.ghberlinwindward.com/wp-conte...-4-791x1024.jpg

I read about the VPBE on the link above.


Current PDS as of 06/2017...SN rated. Too bad...I like the oil you posted!

https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Do...12-ac162d889bd1

I'm wondering if something changed in the last 6 months with some kind of new chemistry becoming available or whether the customer demand for "mixed fleet" oils has made them (and others) change. Chevron initially said to me that the PC-11 (CK-4) product wouldn't really change much..the changes were all about FA-4. Now they tell me they have a "new" type of additive pack and are very boastful about how much better it will be from a wear standpoint. It also took them 7 months longer to get the CK-4 syns to market than they said it would. Cummins has confidence in the Val product obviously letting you go out to 60,000 mile drains.


I just figured if it was on the Ford oil list for PowerStrokes it probably has enough Zinc & Phosphorus for my Cummins as well.
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