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Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog #4595762
12/06/17 07:58 AM
12/06/17 07:58 AM
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Katy, Republic of Texas
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So my brother in law's RWD 2004 F150 is needing (like about ready to fail) a new lower drivers side ball joint.

This is not a question of quality between the two, but about service.

I normally use Moog ball joints on my vehicles, but they are greasable. I am not positive that I will always be the one servicing his vehicle (I plan to though so long as he is nearby), and no idea of quick lube places even check and service them (does anyone know?).
I don't want to put the Moog on then 30,000 miles from now them fail because they have never been serviced.
I do know it will not be something he will do (physical problems) if I don't, and again, making sure a quickie lube place does it is unknown.

I am thinking of using Motorcraft since they are sealed, and the OEM ones lasted 150,000 miles. Only problem is, they are almost 2x the price, and when doing the whole front end, that can get very expensive (2 lower joints, 2 upper control arms with joints, tie rod ends (x2 inner and outer). Then add on the cost of the new strut assemblies that he needs, and I am close to $1000 with Motorcraft parts.

So biggest question is, will using Moog joints maybe having 15,000 miles at times between lube service?


2012 xB: QSUD 0w-20/CQ Blue/5k
2010 Santa Fe: PP 0w-20/P1/8k
2007 Vue: VSP 5w-30/EcoGard/OLM
2004 F150: GTX HM 5w-20/TG2/4k
2002 F150: GTX HM 5w-20/EcoGard/1yr
1994 VT1100c: Peak 15w-40/PSL/5k



Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: blupupher] #4595788
12/06/17 08:21 AM
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Load ‘em up with a top shelf grease that will stay put and I bet it would be ok. 180k on stock joints on my daughters truck, though. Makes me lean towards motor craft.


2011 F150 4x4 5.0L
1996 Mustang GT 5spd/ragtop
Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: blupupher] #4595825
12/06/17 09:07 AM
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I find it hard to believe that a quick lube place doesn't have a grease gun, but stranger things have happened.

I think the determination that needs to be made is what kind of condition is the rest of the truck in, and what's it worth? I'm all for repairing with qualitybparts, which both should be. The issue is that it's a 150k mile truck which could be rusty/beat up (or not), could be totaled easily if in an accident (or not, based upon value and condition), etc.

What's his tolerance to the cost of OE parts?

Id personally consider the moot parts because I enjoy doing the greasing on my truck. Having sealed parts is convenient but I just like to get under and do it. If he is at all cost averse, I'd just hammer it in that he needs to make sure that the truck gets greased when serviced, and there are x zerks.

Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: JHZR2] #4595885
12/06/17 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I find it hard to believe that a quick lube place doesn't have a grease gun, but stranger things have happened.


Having and using are two different things.


2010 Ford Escape 2.5 ~91K Miles: AMSOIL SS 5W-30, AMSOIL SS FE ATF.
1995 Chevy Silverado 5.7 ~277K Miles: Delo 10W-30, AMSOIL OE MV ATF.
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Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: blupupher] #4595914
12/06/17 10:27 AM
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Are you doing the work yourself? Motorcraft has a 2 year warranty, Moog is lifetime. Same deal with the struts, most strut makers like Monroe have a lifetime warranty and after 3-4 years I usually end up getting another free set. Monroe typically has a rebate during the spring and fall. I used to go with Moog for everything, get them at rockauto and send them back when they wore out for a 2nd set using the warranty. Using gmail, it's easy to find the receipt when you need them replaced. If the price is close, I prefer to use Advance Auto with the coupon code so you don't have shipping cost when returning old parts.

Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: blupupher] #4595921
12/06/17 10:30 AM
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Different application, but I'm sorely disappointed with the Moog balljoints I put in the F-350. Motorcraft or bust.


18 Forester 2.5I 6M
00 Jeep Cherokee
01 Ford F-350 XL 4x4 5M
Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: Miller88] #4595929
12/06/17 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
Different application, but I'm sorely disappointed with the Moog balljoints I put in the F-350. Motorcraft or bust.


Were they made in USA Problem Solvers, or something else?

Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: blupupher] #4595934
12/06/17 10:36 AM
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
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I've seen reports that Moog quality has dropped quite a bit in recent years.

Can't go wrong with OEM parts.

Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: blupupher] #4595977
12/06/17 11:04 AM
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MY first thought is try to get a discount on motorcraft. Go to the parts counter as a retail customer and you will probably be quoted sticker. Go to several places that sell Motorcraft with part numbers, etc. already researched and explain that you prefer MC but the gap has to be narrowed, it's already looked up, no hassle, etc.

Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: blupupher] #4595996
12/06/17 11:19 AM
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Look at these from TRW, good stuff and LFL. Check the part# to make sure it fits the 2004

https://www.amazon.com/TRW-Automotive-JBJ1035-Premium-Joint/dp/B00T9XZZFO/ref=au_as_r?_encoding=UTF8&Make=Ford%7C54&Model=F-150%7C666&Year=2004%7C2004&ie=UTF8&n=15684181&newVehicle=1&s=automotive&vehicleId=1&vehicleType=automotive


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Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: blupupher] #4596000
12/06/17 11:24 AM
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Katy, Republic of Texas
blupupher Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
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I think the determination that needs to be made is what kind of condition is the rest of the truck in, and what's it worth? I'm all for repairing with qualitybparts, which both should be. The issue is that it's a 150k mile truck which could be rusty/beat up (or not), could be totaled easily if in an accident (or not, based upon value and condition), etc.

What's his tolerance to the cost of OE parts?

Well, the condition overall is not bad.
I have a little concern of the motor (the 5.4 that can have phaser issues).
Last 2 filters had a lot of metal flakes, but he was having other issues (clogged cats, bad coils, poor oil change history), next oil change I will cut it open and see if it is any better.
It runs fine now though. Body is fine. There is a drivetrain whine (I think it is the carrier bearing for the driveshaft, a whole 'nother issue).
I guess I need to find out how much longer he does plan on keeping it.
Cost is part of the problem.

I had looked at "Detroit Axle" brand parts, and I can get most all front end parts for around $300.

If he only plans on keeping it for another year or 2, I may just do this.

Originally Posted By: dogememe
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I find it hard to believe that a quick lube place doesn't have a grease gun, but stranger things have happened.


Having and using are two different things.

That is my concern.
F150 does not come from factory with grease zerks, so when it comes in for service, they won't even look.

Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Are you doing the work yourself? Motorcraft has a 2 year warranty, Moog is lifetime. Same deal with the struts, most strut makers like Monroe have a lifetime warranty and after 3-4 years I usually end up getting another free set. ...

Good point, did not think about the warranty.

For the struts I was going to get the Monroe Quickstrut, lots of good reviews on them on several F150 forums (unless I do the Detroit Axle route).

Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: blupupher] #4596009
12/06/17 11:30 AM
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Walmart TLE will grease them for you for under $5. Last item under "additional services". Just watch them while they do the service.

https://www.walmart.com/cp/auto-services/1087266

Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: SatinSilver] #4596043
12/06/17 11:54 AM
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blupupher Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Walmart TLE will grease them for you for under $5. Last item under "additional services". Just watch them while they do the service.

https://www.walmart.com/cp/auto-services/1087266


Good to know. I could probably get him to do that if I don't service it for him.

Now the question is what grease do the use? LOL.

I have been using Green Grease on mine, but am almost out, need to decide what to use next.

Thanks.

Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: blupupher] #4596089
12/06/17 12:37 PM
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Moog sucks, I went through 2 tie rod ends on an Ml500 in 6 months. Spend the extra and you won't need to waste your time when you have to do it the second time for a "warranty' repair.


2002 VW Golf TDI-Mobil 1 5/40 TDT
2007 Mercedes GL320 CDI Fuchs 5/40 GT Pro XTL
2005 BMW M3 BMW Twin Power 10/60
2003 BMW M5-Fuchs 5/40
1998 BMW M3/4/5 Fuchs 5/40
Re: Ball Joint - Motorcraft OEM or Moog [Re: zzyzzx] #4596171
12/06/17 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Different application, but I'm sorely disappointed with the Moog balljoints I put in the F-350. Motorcraft or bust.


Were they made in USA Problem Solvers, or something else?


I don't know what product line but the box said made in USA. They are super tight. I have about 5000 miles on them now and the steering wheel almost returns to center.

Super, super tight.


18 Forester 2.5I 6M
00 Jeep Cherokee
01 Ford F-350 XL 4x4 5M
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