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#4593948 - 12/04/17 01:07 PM Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo)
mrdctaylor Offline


Registered: 06/05/03
Posts: 590
Loc: McGregor TX
Guys,

I just picked up the last 2 Fram CH9972 filters at a Tractor Supply clearance for $.79. Not a bad deal. But I'm curious why the end caps look different. Once is Made in the USA and one is made in China, but they are both the same part. Is one older? I'm just looking for information--I'm sure both of them will work and were a steal at this price.

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#4593952 - 12/04/17 01:11 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
Merkava_4 Offline


Registered: 01/30/07
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Loc: Clovis, CA
Boy that's gotta be a perfect representation of USA vs China quality. I wouldn't even use that filter on the right.

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#4593959 - 12/04/17 01:15 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
mrdctaylor Offline


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Honestly, they're probably ALL made in Chine now, right? The filter material looked OK at a quick glance. I'll inspect it more closely after work. I don't think the current Fram's even have end caps, do they? I know the Toyota OEM filters I've been using do not.
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#4593975 - 12/04/17 01:29 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
MParr Offline


Registered: 10/28/17
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Loc: Georgia
Wow! The one on the right looks like it came out of the OCOD.
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#4593980 - 12/04/17 01:35 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
Merkava_4 Offline


Registered: 01/30/07
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Loc: Clovis, CA
Does the USA filter on the left have a black plastic end cap, or is it a thick paper fiber of some sort ?

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#4593986 - 12/04/17 01:37 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
mrdctaylor Offline


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It is plastic or rubber. I didn't examine it too extensively, but it is definitely not paper fiber, which is what the one on the right appears to be.
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#4594006 - 12/04/17 01:52 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
ZeeOSix Offline


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Looks like the date code on the USA made filter is Y22611 = 261st day of 2012. China made filter date code is 010916 = 91st day of 2011.

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#4594007 - 12/04/17 01:52 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
2012AccentSE Offline


Registered: 10/08/13
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Loc: TX
I just did a change on my gf's corolla, see sig for Fram part #. The end cap was plastic like the one pictured, but had made in China stamped on it. Used it without thinking twice.
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#4594014 - 12/04/17 01:55 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
Merkava_4 Offline


Registered: 01/30/07
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Originally Posted By: mrdctaylor
It is plastic or rubber. I didn't examine it too extensively, but it is definitely not paper fiber, which is what the one on the right appears to be.


That's good to know. That's what my eyes suspected. Thanks for reaffirming my suspicion.

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#4594024 - 12/04/17 02:01 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: ZeeOSix]
mrdctaylor Offline


Registered: 06/05/03
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Dang. Those are pretty old. Then again, I've bought OEM filters by the case that were at least that old when I got to the end of it. :-)
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#4594027 - 12/04/17 02:04 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
UG_Passat Offline


Registered: 05/27/08
Posts: 1969
Loc: NJ
The one on the right looks like a rip-off of a Mahle filter design.

VW had sourced Mahle filters before on my old TDI.
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#4594040 - 12/04/17 02:11 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: ZeeOSix]
mrdctaylor Offline


Registered: 06/05/03
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Loc: McGregor TX
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
China made filter date code is 010916 = 91st day of 2011.


Not Jan 9 2016? Or Sept 1 2016?
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#4594158 - 12/04/17 03:50 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
RichardS Offline


Registered: 01/14/17
Posts: 616
Loc: Melbourne, Florida
Some of the filters at the tractor supply by me that are being cleared out are *completely* rusted. Others are in boxes so old that they aren't even orange anymore.

Just a washed out faint orange.

And a box design I don't ever remember seeing in the 13 years I've owned cars.


Edited by RichardS (12/04/17 03:58 PM)
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#4594160 - 12/04/17 03:53 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
CR94 Offline


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I see Fram apparently has recently switched production of their Extra Guard 10358 cartridges from USA to China. Except for the media, the new Chinese ones are constructed similar to the Tough Guard, which was already Chinese, and has plastic end caps. They appear better constructed than the old USA Extra Guards, in my opinion. I'm currently using a Tough Guard.
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#4594164 - 12/04/17 03:54 PM Re: Question on FRAM CH9972 filters (see photo) [Re: mrdctaylor]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10027
Loc: Indiana
I wouldn't use either honesty because of the age and design.

As much as I like Fram, their cartridge filters just scare me. I've read about plenty of fitment complaints and seen a few with end caps separating from media.

You'll never get a recommendation from me.
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