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Which automatic transmission fluid to use? #4593405
12/03/17 08:33 PM
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Chile
Dymblos Offline OP
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Hi

Im new here, from Chile
I have 2 cars, both with automatic transmission

Mazda 929 Station Wagon 1990 2.0
Dodge Caravan 1995 2.5

Currently I dont know what type of fluid they use and neither since when was the last change.. so now i want to change both

In the manual (mazda) Use ATF Type-F (M2C33F)
Doge, Mopar ATF Plus Type 7176.. manual are old

Currently what are the replacement for both fluids?

Thanks

Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: Dymblos] #4593418
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Mopar ATF 7176 was replaced by Mopar (Chrysler) ATF+3 which was replaced by ATF+4 which is still available.
https://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmissions/fluids.html


I would imagine (but I'm not sure) that your Mazda uses a Ford Type-F.
This brochure for Ford Type F does mention that it's spec'd for certain Mazda vehicles:
https://www.mobil.com/english-us/passenger-vehicle-lube/pds/glxxmobil-type-f-atf

Type F fluid is NOT friction modified (like most others) so I think you should stick with it if that's what Mazda recommends.


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Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: Dymblos] #4593420
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For the Caravan, you should be able to use any ATF +4 such as

ATF +4


I am surprised they are listing type F for Mazda but I think the MerconV would be better:

Such as

MerconV


Last edited by MolaKule; 12/03/17 08:51 PM.

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Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: Dymblos] #4593422
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Still using Castrol fake synthetic MV ATF

Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: MolaKule] #4593436
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
For the Caravan, you should be able to use any ATF +4 such as

ATF +4


I am surprised they are listing type F for Mazda but I think the MerconV would be better:

Such as

MerconV



+1.


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Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: JC1] #4593446
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Dymblos Offline OP
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Mercon pdf

"(except those specifying MERCON(r)SP, MERCON(r)LV or Type F fluids)" confused

Last edited by Dymblos; 12/03/17 09:18 PM.
Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: Dymblos] #4593462
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Almost nothing has taken Type F for over 30 years, especially anything with a lockup torque converter. Who knows about cars in Chile, though. Use it if it says to. It won't hurt, anyway.
I use Type F in my truck because it is high friction, and I am trying to make the clutches last. Hard shifts do not bother me. I also disabled the lockup TC.


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Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: Dymblos] #4593506
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there is a little problem, here we don't have any "Type F" fluid, at least there nothing like that written in the bottles
I mean, for example, nothing like this

Last edited by Dymblos; 12/03/17 10:22 PM.
Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: JC1] #4593508
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ON, Canada eh?
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ON, Canada eh?
Originally Posted By: JC1
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
For the Caravan, you should be able to use any ATF +4 such as

ATF +4


I am surprised they are listing type F for Mazda but I think the MerconV would be better:

Such as

MerconV



+1.


+2


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Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: Dymblos] #4593526
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Ford used to own a piece of Mazda so a lot of Mazda cars were actually uses Ford parts/components.
IIRC, Ford sold that share recently so the Mazda is now pure Mazda from Japan instead of relabeled Ford.


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Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: Dymblos] #4593551
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Originally Posted By: Dymblos
Mercon pdf

"(except those specifying MERCON(r)SP, MERCON(r)LV or Type F fluids)" confused


MERCON V would work just as well if not better and I bet its easier to find in Chile.


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Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: eyeofthetiger] #4595972
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Originally Posted By: eyeofthetiger
Almost nothing has taken Type F for over 30 years, especially anything with a lockup torque converter. Who knows about cars in Chile, though. Use it if it says to. It won't hurt, anyway.
I use Type F in my truck because it is high friction, and I am trying to make the clutches last. Hard shifts do not bother me. I also disabled the lockup TC.


Friction depends on other factors than just fluid. Torque, pressure, apply piston area, mean friction radius and number of active friction surfaces all will affect the coefficient of friction. Transmissions which recommended Type F usually had other differences such as small friction plates and number of surfaces. End result they shifted about the same as the Type A transmissions. Using Type F in transmission calling for MERCON V will make the u-joint manufactures wealthy.

Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: DWC28] #4595984
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Originally Posted By: DWC28
Originally Posted By: eyeofthetiger
Almost nothing has taken Type F for over 30 years, especially anything with a lockup torque converter. Who knows about cars in Chile, though. Use it if it says to. It won't hurt, anyway.
I use Type F in my truck because it is high friction, and I am trying to make the clutches last. Hard shifts do not bother me. I also disabled the lockup TC.


Friction depends on other factors than just fluid. Torque, pressure, apply piston area, mean friction radius and number of active friction surfaces all will affect the coefficient of friction. Transmissions which recommended Type F usually had other differences such as small friction plates and number of surfaces. End result they shifted about the same as the Type A transmissions. Using Type F in transmission calling for MERCON V will make the u-joint manufactures wealthy.


Indeed. But I'd rather replace $10 U-joints and $50 motor mounts than replace $1000 transmissions - especially in a beater work truck. It ain't no Cadillac.


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Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: eyeofthetiger] #4596021
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General consensus seems to be OEM recommended fluids will cause the transmission to last longer. I have no documentation but gut feeling is using Type F where Mercon V is recommended and vice versa is not conducive to long transmission life

Re: Which automatic transmission fluid to use? [Re: Dymblos] #4596040
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In the Chrysler, stick to a Mopar ATF+4 approved fluid. As for the Type-F, some fluid vendors in Chile might have it - it's a less modified Mercon/Dexron fluid. You can try a "racing" ATF like Red Line or Trick Shift but be prepared to pay for it.

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