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Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? #4592887
12/03/17 09:57 AM
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wemay Offline OP
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-0W20 supposedly uses better base oils.
-In extreme cold, it flows better.
-They are equally priced.
-0W20 supposedly has better start-up protection.

The only thing i can see where 5w20 holds an edge, albeit a slight one, is in better Noack numbers.


18 Sportage 2.4L AWD: Mobil1 Annual Protection 5W20 + Mobil1-104A
13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: Pennzoil Platinum 10W-30 + FRAM XG9688

Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592892
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Some vehicles still require 5w20 per the owners manual.


2012 Honda Accord EX-L K24z3
54,xxx miles
PPPP 0w20 / Fram Ultra

2014 VW Jetta SE 1.8T ea888
40,xxx miles
Castrol OEM dealer fill / OEM filter
Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592893
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Are you saying 5w20 is a bad product? If I have a car that takes x grade of oil, maybe I want to use x grade of oil.


1998 Honda Accord EX 2.3L Auto (Sold) 214k mi
2009 Scion tC Manual (Daily Driver) 165k mi
Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: Charlie2015] #4592895
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Originally Posted By: Charlie2015
Are you saying 5w20 is a bad product? If I have a car that takes x grade of oil, maybe I want to use x grade of oil.


Not at all. Just thinking that because they're so close in performance, why both?

I myself use 5W20 but would have no issue using 0W either.


18 Sportage 2.4L AWD: Mobil1 Annual Protection 5W20 + Mobil1-104A
13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: Pennzoil Platinum 10W-30 + FRAM XG9688

Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592903
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5w-20 can be conventional, 0w-20 is typically a full synthetic. Some OEMs may specify 5w-20 to give owners and dealers a cheaper option.

Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592904
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It's all about the warranty. I use M1 0-20 and it has the Ford spec, but I pay little attention to manufacturer spec anyways.


2007 Ford Fusion 235,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 60K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: Danh] #4592905
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Originally Posted By: Danh
5w-20 can be conventional, 0w-20 is typically a full synthetic. Some OEMs may specify 5w-20 to give owners and dealers a cheaper option.


Excellent point. My assumption is this is most likely.


18 Sportage 2.4L AWD: Mobil1 Annual Protection 5W20 + Mobil1-104A
13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: Pennzoil Platinum 10W-30 + FRAM XG9688

Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592917
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wemay Offline OP
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...that makes sense from the OE pov, but why would the oil mfcs offer 5W20 in synthetic then? Why not a conventional (5w20) and a synthetic (0w20)?


18 Sportage 2.4L AWD: Mobil1 Annual Protection 5W20 + Mobil1-104A
13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: Pennzoil Platinum 10W-30 + FRAM XG9688

Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592929
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Even on the Subaru Website they tell you 5w-30 gives better protection in the first 10 minutes of start up. Isn't that were they claim 25% of engine wear occurs?

https://www.patriotsubaru.com/synthetic-oil.htm


2004 Corolla 126649
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74478
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592930
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In my opinion, the two are interchangeable. If I'm running synthetic, I don't see a reason to use 5W over 0W, all things being equal. However, price and warranty considerations should be accounted for. As I said in another thread, I picked up some Mobil 1 0W-20 AFE on sale ($19.99) which I will run in my Elantra next OCI, though my manual calls for 5W-20.

Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592932
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wemay Offline OP
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I recently bought Idemitsu 0W30 on clearance as well.


18 Sportage 2.4L AWD: Mobil1 Annual Protection 5W20 + Mobil1-104A
13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: Pennzoil Platinum 10W-30 + FRAM XG9688

Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592944
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While the car is under warranty, I always follow the Owners Manual when it comes to oil spec and grade. Not going to give the manufacturer a reason/excuse to deny a warranty claim.


2015 Kia Optima EX 2.4L GDI
2015 Chevy Volt
Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592951
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I feel the same way about 10w30. I feel it's an obsolete viscosity now that 5w30 is well established, however 10w30 is probably the biggest selling viscosity in the history of motor oil so it may never go away. So in a similar vein we may never see 5w20 go away either.


2018 Corvette, 9k, M1 ESP Formula 5w30 & NAPA Gold
2006 Civic EX Coupe, 148k, PUP 5w20 & Fram Ultra
2010 BMW 328i X-Drive,110k, GC 0w40 & Fram Ultra

Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592955
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Seems to me the answer is "We just aren't there yet."

Like 10w40 vs. 10w30 - how many years did the two exist before (just recently) '40 started getting harder to find and fewer different options? 0w20 is, what, 5 years old? I can see the merit of the options basically being 5w20 conventional/syn blend with 0w20 as an almost universally cross-compatible full syn, but some folks (me included, at times) are gonna hang on to their 5w.


To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
'67 Suburban, 350, 331K
Re: Why is syn 5W20 still sold if syn 0W20 is better? [Re: wemay] #4592959
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Originally Posted By: wemay
The only thing i can see where 5w20 holds an edge, albeit a slight one, is in better Noack numbers.

Greg's reasoning is sound, at least behind the marketing. Most of us here know a 0w-20 works in most 5w-20 applications. Some people won't deviate, though, and some oil companies won't let their recommendations deviate outside the automakers' recommendations, either.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, NAPA Gold 7356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
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