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#4592227 - 12/02/17 04:20 PM Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media "
MetalSlug Offline


Registered: 07/24/10
Posts: 2636
Loc: vicksburg ms
When I was active here, I though Fram Ultra was the ONLY one with 100% full synthetic media with wire back holding the media together..... ultra was the first that ever come up with wire back on the media do they ?

now I saw Wix XP , purolator Boss , having similar design . so let put all these premium filter together , which one would you choose ? I know ultra will always be a favorite here.

1: Fram Ultra
2: wix Xp
3: Purolator Boss
4: Mobil 1 exten ( semi synthetic )
5: K$N ( semi synthetic )
6: Napa Platium ( properly same as wix xp )
7: RP oil filter

not big fan of amsoil product.

I pick ultra, every day low price and easy to find at ANY walmart. that where I buy my oils too.


Edited by MetalSlug (12/02/17 04:26 PM)
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#4592228 - 12/02/17 04:22 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug]
JohnnyJohnson Offline


Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 2731
Loc: Wet side WA
Fram Tough Guard 99% efficient at 20 microns $6.64 at Walmart. Rated at 10K.



Edited by JohnnyJohnson (12/02/17 04:23 PM)
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#4592234 - 12/02/17 04:30 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: JohnnyJohnson]
MetalSlug Offline


Registered: 07/24/10
Posts: 2636
Loc: vicksburg ms
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Fram Tough Guard 99% efficient at 20 microns $6.64 at Walmart. Rated at 10K.



was never big fan of OCOD paper end cap , that what we use to call back then lol, until today I still cant get over it, TG is having same cardboard design, ultra is only fram oil filter I use cause of metal end cap.
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#4592255 - 12/02/17 05:02 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: JohnnyJohnson]
CR94 Offline


Registered: 03/20/16
Posts: 1120
Loc: Western S.C. since 1996
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Fram Tough Guard 99% efficient at 20 microns $6.64 at Walmart. Rated at 10K.

$9 for me, because they're smaller and simpler than yours. And made in China.

Mileage ratings on filters are at least 80% marketing games.
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#4592268 - 12/02/17 05:24 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17764
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: MetalSlug
When I was active here, I though Fram Ultra was the ONLY one with 100% full synthetic media with wire back holding the media together..... ultra was the first that ever come up with wire back on the media do they ?


The AC Delco Ultra Gold was a full synthetic wire backed filter that came out around 2000~2001. So it's not something "new", but since the AC Delco hit the market many other companies have come out with similar oil filters.

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#4592293 - 12/02/17 05:59 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 20447
Loc: Upstate NY
Amsoil EA is full synthetic. It would be my pick every day over a Frame Ultra, especially if you want to extend the OCI.
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#4592307 - 12/02/17 06:18 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug]
benjy Offline


Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 865
Loc: pa
nothing Fram or Castrol for me, usually Wix but sometimes Mann filters usually on my TT.

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#4592360 - 12/02/17 07:15 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: Donald]
Ihatetochangeoil Offline


Registered: 10/28/14
Posts: 580
Loc: On the road Midwest
Originally Posted By: Donald
Amsoil EA is full synthetic. It would be my pick every day over a Frame Ultra, especially if you want to extend the OCI.


+1 I'm Amsoil all the way. Too bad the OP doesn't even wish to consider some of the finer products on the market. His loss. I have run Amsoil out to 37K with good UOA (and bypass filtration).

I've heard a lot of flak on BITOG about the cost and availability of Amsoil, but I've not seen or read substantiated complaints about Amsoil quality on any of their products. I run Amsoil 5W30 motor oil, I also run their brake fluid, automatic transmission fluid and PS fluid.
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#4592372 - 12/02/17 07:28 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: Ihatetochangeoil]
gaijinnv Offline


Registered: 02/14/13
Posts: 418
Loc: Nevada, USA
TRD. 100% synthetic wire-backed media, made in USA, etc.





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#4592442 - 12/02/17 08:46 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug]
jakewells Offline


Registered: 12/28/12
Posts: 448
Loc: Cave City KY
I bought a fram to try after all of what i read here but two months ago you couldn't get me to buy anything fram.
It doesn't hurt to explore though and im sure these are good filters listed though i have never used them.
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#4592445 - 12/02/17 08:48 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug]
i_hate_autofraud Offline


Registered: 05/19/16
Posts: 705
Loc: Canada
I’ve tried all the above, they’re OK, but the oil still gets dirty just as fast anyway.

What did make a difference? A pair of FilterMags or on the cheap, lots of bar magnets
on the outside of the filter! Even better 2 FilterMags and extra bar magnets!

The UOA since then shows when the oil gets “dirty” it’s actually the wear metals in the oil,
not the ‘dirt’ or combustion by products like we’ve been told for decades by ‘big oil’ and ‘big filters’!

The pics in the PDF and then cutting open my own filters showed that to be true!

FILTERMAG vs HOMEBREW
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#4592479 - 12/02/17 09:18 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: Donald]
2015_PSD Offline


Registered: 09/26/10
Posts: 7233
Loc: SE Texas
Originally Posted By: Donald
Amsoil EA is full synthetic. It would be my pick every day over a Frame Ultra, especially if you want to extend the OCI.
Extend it for how far? I have no doubt that an Ultra could do a 20 to 25K OCI without breaking a sweat--too bad many here will not do an OCI for half that amount.
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#4592510 - 12/02/17 10:11 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: Ihatetochangeoil]
StevieC Offline


Registered: 08/21/08
Posts: 17116
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
Originally Posted By: Donald
Amsoil EA is full synthetic. It would be my pick every day over a Frame Ultra, especially if you want to extend the OCI.


+1 I'm Amsoil all the way. Too bad the OP doesn't even wish to consider some of the finer products on the market. His loss. I have run Amsoil out to 37K with good UOA (and bypass filtration).

I've heard a lot of flak on BITOG about the cost and availability of Amsoil, but I've not seen or read substantiated complaints about Amsoil quality on any of their products. I run Amsoil 5W30 motor oil, I also run their brake fluid, automatic transmission fluid and PS fluid.


+1 as well. I have run their filters for over a decade and the vehicle in my signature is proof they must be a quality filter as claimed by them. If the OP doesn't want to run that he can run a Royal Purple Filter. wink wink wink
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#4592526 - 12/02/17 10:26 PM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug]
bbhero Online   content


Registered: 03/20/15
Posts: 4612
Loc: Virginia
Fram has improved the "cardboard" ends caps quite some time ago. The fiber end caps are now much stronger, more resilient, and do not tear from a metal end cap. There have been a very good number of Fram orange cans that have looked really good even past 6k miles. Metal end caps don't always mean or equal a good filter.

I bet a Fram Ultra or Amsoil ea filter could possibly go 30k miles in the right applications. Those two are that good.


Edited by bbhero (12/02/17 10:27 PM)
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#4592577 - 12/03/17 12:09 AM Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug]
Nyogtha Offline


Registered: 10/13/14
Posts: 2319
Loc: San Antonio, TX
The Frampion Carquest filters showed Fram can manufacture a non-wire backed media filter with metal end caps that doesn't tear as well, if & when it strikes their fancy.


Edited by Nyogtha (12/03/17 12:11 AM)
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