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Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " #4592227
12/02/17 05:20 PM
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MetalSlug Offline OP
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When I was active here, I though Fram Ultra was the ONLY one with 100% full synthetic media with wire back holding the media together..... ultra was the first that ever come up with wire back on the media do they ?

now I saw Wix XP , purolator Boss , having similar design . so let put all these premium filter together , which one would you choose ? I know ultra will always be a favorite here.

1: Fram Ultra
2: wix Xp
3: Purolator Boss
4: Mobil 1 exten ( semi synthetic )
5: K$N ( semi synthetic )
6: Napa Platium ( properly same as wix xp )
7: RP oil filter

not big fan of amsoil product.

I pick ultra, every day low price and easy to find at ANY walmart. that where I buy my oils too.

Last edited by MetalSlug; 12/02/17 05:26 PM.

NO FRAM OCOD " Orange Can Of DEATH “
03 SVT COBRA 10th anniversary Whipple 600whp M1 5w30 Wix 51372XP
01 Corvette ZO6 stock M1 5w30 / M1-107A
2016 NISSAN TITAN dealer OC daily drive
Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug] #4592228
12/02/17 05:22 PM
12/02/17 05:22 PM
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Fram Tough Guard 99% efficient at 20 microns $6.64 at Walmart. Rated at 10K.


Last edited by JohnnyJohnson; 12/02/17 05:23 PM.

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Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4592234
12/02/17 05:30 PM
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MetalSlug Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Fram Tough Guard 99% efficient at 20 microns $6.64 at Walmart. Rated at 10K.



was never big fan of OCOD paper end cap , that what we use to call back then lol, until today I still cant get over it, TG is having same cardboard design, ultra is only fram oil filter I use cause of metal end cap.


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Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4592255
12/02/17 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Fram Tough Guard 99% efficient at 20 microns $6.64 at Walmart. Rated at 10K.

$9 for me, because they're smaller and simpler than yours. And made in China.

Mileage ratings on filters are at least 80% marketing games.


2011 Toyota Prius now at 92K
1981 Mazda GLC (323) retired at 606K
1972 Subaru DL retired at 190K
1954 Chevrolet retired at 121K
Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug] #4592268
12/02/17 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: MetalSlug
When I was active here, I though Fram Ultra was the ONLY one with 100% full synthetic media with wire back holding the media together..... ultra was the first that ever come up with wire back on the media do they ?


The AC Delco Ultra Gold was a full synthetic wire backed filter that came out around 2000~2001. So it's not something "new", but since the AC Delco hit the market many other companies have come out with similar oil filters.

Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug] #4592293
12/02/17 06:59 PM
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Amsoil EA is full synthetic. It would be my pick every day over a Frame Ultra, especially if you want to extend the OCI.


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2015 Ford F250 w/Powerstroke
2016 Subaru Crosstrek CVT (wife's)
Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug] #4592307
12/02/17 07:18 PM
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nothing Fram or Castrol for me, usually Wix but sometimes Mann filters usually on my TT.

Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: Donald] #4592360
12/02/17 08:15 PM
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On the road Midwest
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Originally Posted By: Donald
Amsoil EA is full synthetic. It would be my pick every day over a Frame Ultra, especially if you want to extend the OCI.


+1 I'm Amsoil all the way. Too bad the OP doesn't even wish to consider some of the finer products on the market. His loss. I have run Amsoil out to 37K with good UOA (and bypass filtration).

I've heard a lot of flak on BITOG about the cost and availability of Amsoil, but I've not seen or read substantiated complaints about Amsoil quality on any of their products. I run Amsoil 5W30 motor oil, I also run their brake fluid, automatic transmission fluid and PS fluid.



2003 Lesabre
2004 Lesabre
2004 Impala
If ur NOT doing UOA then you're throwing away good oil or your engine is already damaged. Choose.
Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4592372
12/02/17 08:28 PM
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TRD. 100% synthetic wire-backed media, made in USA, etc.





HTH


USN NAVSECGRU 1970-1974
Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug] #4592442
12/02/17 09:46 PM
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I bought a fram to try after all of what i read here but two months ago you couldn't get me to buy anything fram.
It doesn't hurt to explore though and im sure these are good filters listed though i have never used them.


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Chevron Delo SAE 30 CF/SL Fram XG8A

1978 Chevy Nova 250 I6 Borg Warner T5
Rotella 10W40 Fram XG5

Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug] #4592445
12/02/17 09:48 PM
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I’ve tried all the above, they’re OK, but the oil still gets dirty just as fast anyway.

What did make a difference? A pair of FilterMags or on the cheap, lots of bar magnets
on the outside of the filter! Even better 2 FilterMags and extra bar magnets!

The UOA since then shows when the oil gets “dirty” it’s actually the wear metals in the oil,
not the ‘dirt’ or combustion by products like we’ve been told for decades by ‘big oil’ and ‘big filters’!

The pics in the PDF and then cutting open my own filters showed that to be true!

FILTERMAG vs HOMEBREW
https://app.box.com/s/uxvu8dmscf5wcgftutdm0ejqwgn86tw7

Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: Donald] #4592479
12/02/17 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: Donald
Amsoil EA is full synthetic. It would be my pick every day over a Frame Ultra, especially if you want to extend the OCI.
Extend it for how far? I have no doubt that an Ultra could do a 20 to 25K OCI without breaking a sweat--too bad many here will not do an OCI for half that amount.


2018 MB AMG GLC43 3.0L Coupe - Castrol 0W-40/Purflux
2018 MB C300 2.0L - M1 0W-40/OEM
2015 F-250 6.7L PS Diesel - Delo 15W-40/CQ Blue
2014 Explorer 3.5L Limited - M1 AFE 0W-20/FU
Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4592510
12/02/17 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
Originally Posted By: Donald
Amsoil EA is full synthetic. It would be my pick every day over a Frame Ultra, especially if you want to extend the OCI.


+1 I'm Amsoil all the way. Too bad the OP doesn't even wish to consider some of the finer products on the market. His loss. I have run Amsoil out to 37K with good UOA (and bypass filtration).

I've heard a lot of flak on BITOG about the cost and availability of Amsoil, but I've not seen or read substantiated complaints about Amsoil quality on any of their products. I run Amsoil 5W30 motor oil, I also run their brake fluid, automatic transmission fluid and PS fluid.


+1 as well. I have run their filters for over a decade and the vehicle in my signature is proof they must be a quality filter as claimed by them. If the OP doesn't want to run that he can run a Royal Purple Filter. wink wink wink


'18 Highlander - AMSOIL SS 0w20 / ATF / Severe Gear
'06 Santa Fe - 535,000km AMSOIL SS 0w30 / ATF (R.I.P)
Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug] #4592526
12/02/17 11:26 PM
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Fram has improved the "cardboard" ends caps quite some time ago. The fiber end caps are now much stronger, more resilient, and do not tear from a metal end cap. There have been a very good number of Fram orange cans that have looked really good even past 6k miles. Metal end caps don't always mean or equal a good filter.

I bet a Fram Ultra or Amsoil ea filter could possibly go 30k miles in the right applications. Those two are that good.

Last edited by bbhero; 12/02/17 11:27 PM.

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Re: Battle of all " 100% full synthetic media " [Re: MetalSlug] #4592577
12/03/17 01:09 AM
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The Frampion Carquest filters showed Fram can manufacture a non-wire backed media filter with metal end caps that doesn't tear as well, if & when it strikes their fancy.

Last edited by Nyogtha; 12/03/17 01:11 AM.

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