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"Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing #4589735
11/30/17 10:42 AM
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Are any of the autocrossers and road racers out there running either of these oils?

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/racing/dominator-10w-30-racing-oil/

https://www.redlineoil.com/30wt-race-oil-10w30

I know a few of you guys are running dominator with success, looks like RL's 30wt is marketed the same way - less detergents, lower OCI, high ZDDP. Curious if these are appropriate for my car (strictly autox, few street miles, 1-2 HPDEs, ~3k mi per OCI). Sounds like it, and I'm not a big long run change OCI guy on my race cars, I save that for my dailies.


06 Mitsubishi Evolution IX MR (6spd) 5w30 RL
11 BMW M3 (6spd) 5w50 RL
07 Toyota Corolla (AT) 0w20 SSO
12 Toyota Prius (CVT) 0w20 SSO
Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: kyoo] #4589751
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I run Dominator 10w-30 in my circle track Honda Prelude. H22 engine with 213 WHP. This is full blown race car though, not even close to street legal. Gets ran HARD (8500+ RPM laps at a time). Very short OCIs though, 4-5 races which is only a few hours on the engine. Performs great though. Managed to overheat the engine bad enough that i lost compression and had to tear completely down, and all the (at the time) stock bearings looked mint.

Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: kyoo] #4589767
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interesting - mine is way more street car, per what I detailed above.

I guess what should be done is a UOA with TBN, at my usage of 3k miles and autox/hpde etc., and see how much is left and use that to judge if it is more appropriate for "hard run" race but still street cars.

unless anyone else on BITOG has this info already?

Of note, RL mentions engine cooling directly, though I'm sure if you had a failure bad enough no oil would be the difference in preventing that

Last edited by kyoo; 11/30/17 11:20 AM.

06 Mitsubishi Evolution IX MR (6spd) 5w30 RL
11 BMW M3 (6spd) 5w50 RL
07 Toyota Corolla (AT) 0w20 SSO
12 Toyota Prius (CVT) 0w20 SSO
Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: kyoo] #4589774
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Originally Posted By: kyoo
Are any of the autocrossers and road racers out there running either of these oils?

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/racing/dominator-10w-30-racing-oil/

https://www.redlineoil.com/30wt-race-oil-10w30

I know a few of you guys are running dominator with success, looks like RL's 30wt is marketed the same way - less detergents, lower OCI, high ZDDP. Curious if these are appropriate for my car (strictly autox, few street miles, 1-2 HPDEs, ~3k mi per OCI). Sounds like it, and I'm not a big long run change OCI guy on my race cars, I save that for my dailies.


I not only Autox'd my Evo's of the past but went to tracks all over California.

I ran Redline 5w30 in my Evo 9 MR running at 26lbs of boost WOT making 340whp on 91 pump, stock internals (minus cams). I ran it like this for 5 yrs. NO ISSUES. I did find that using Redline vs M1 on track dropped my oil temps 20c according to the mechanical gauge I had in the car.

I am a Redline fan after seeing the type of heat my Evo's saw. Not only pushing higher than stock boost, but tracking in 100F+ heat. There were sessions that the Turbo was glowing red, and having UOA's done my reports always came back very good.

My Vote on Redline. Though I used 5w30. Some of my Evo's UOA's may be on this site somewhere if you look haha.


Jeff


"You don't have to be crazy to do this... But it helps." Bob Ross.
Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4589785
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: kyoo
Are any of the autocrossers and road racers out there running either of these oils?

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/racing/dominator-10w-30-racing-oil/

https://www.redlineoil.com/30wt-race-oil-10w30

I know a few of you guys are running dominator with success, looks like RL's 30wt is marketed the same way - less detergents, lower OCI, high ZDDP. Curious if these are appropriate for my car (strictly autox, few street miles, 1-2 HPDEs, ~3k mi per OCI). Sounds like it, and I'm not a big long run change OCI guy on my race cars, I save that for my dailies.


I not only Autox'd my Evo's of the past but went to tracks all over California.

I ran Redline 5w30 in my Evo 9 MR running at 26lbs of boost WOT making 340whp on 91 pump, stock internals (minus cams). I ran it like this for 5 yrs. NO ISSUES. I did find that using Redline vs M1 on track dropped my oil temps 20c according to the mechanical gauge I had in the car.

I am a Redline fan after seeing the type of heat my Evo's saw. Not only pushing higher than stock boost, but tracking in 100F+ heat. There were sessions that the Turbo was glowing red, and having UOA's done my reports always came back very good.

My Vote on Redline. Though I used 5w30. Some of my Evo's UOA's may be on this site somewhere if you look haha.


Jeff


Jeff - good to know re: temps. have you ever considered the racing oils? dominator and/or redline 30wt?

curious if you've noted any oil consumption with that usage as well.


06 Mitsubishi Evolution IX MR (6spd) 5w30 RL
11 BMW M3 (6spd) 5w50 RL
07 Toyota Corolla (AT) 0w20 SSO
12 Toyota Prius (CVT) 0w20 SSO
Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: kyoo] #4589869
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If you still have a cat, maybe try a 0w-40 full synthetic street oil? No experience, but heard they do really will in performance applications.

Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: kyoo] #4589967
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"high flow" 200 cel cat smile


06 Mitsubishi Evolution IX MR (6spd) 5w30 RL
11 BMW M3 (6spd) 5w50 RL
07 Toyota Corolla (AT) 0w20 SSO
12 Toyota Prius (CVT) 0w20 SSO
Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: kyoo] #4589982
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Originally Posted By: kyoo
"high flow" 200 cel cat smile


Amsoil Dominator FTW

Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: kyoo] #4589991
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I do a fair amount of track work. In my Miata, I ran Mobil 1 0W-40. In my S2000, I used to run the same, now I run Red Line 10W-30. In my NSX, I run Red Line 10W-30. And in my SC400 I also run Red Line 10W-30.

I know folks that run everything... AMSOIL, Castrol, Mobil 1, Red Line, etc etc. I don't know if I've ever seen a motor that blew up due to the oil being run.

Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: kyoo] #4590002
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No racing oil is meant to be ran out to 3k miles. They have very little TBN to combat acidic byproducts. I run Redline 30wt and from talking with Dave, their lead chemist, he recommends not running longer than 8-10 hours or 3 months.


2017 Miata Global Cup Car #02 - Castol A3/B4 5w30 w/ OEM Fitler
2017 Miata RF - PP 0w20 w/ M1 Filter
2015 F-150 2.7L Ecoboost - PPPP 5w30 w/ MC
Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: robertcope] #4590003
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Originally Posted By: robertcope
I do a fair amount of track work. In my Miata, I ran Mobil 1 0W-40. In my S2000, I used to run the same, now I run Red Line 10W-30. In my NSX, I run Red Line 10W-30. And in my SC400 I also run Red Line 10W-30.

I know folks that run everything... AMSOIL, Castrol, Mobil 1, Red Line, etc etc. I don't know if I've ever seen a motor that blew up due to the oil being run.


I havenít seen any engines blown due to the brand of oil they ran, but I have seen several H and B series engines that ate a cam lobe or 2 due to running todayís emission oil. But that only applies to the solid valvetrain Honda engines.

Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: kyoo] #4590016
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I have a 05 STI which is mostly a street car. I sometimes do autocross and drag racing events. I use Motul 300V 5w40 and have stable oil pressure at high oil temps(100-110C) whether its from long highway pulls or aggressive mid to high rpm autocross cornering.


'05 GDB STI
'16 VAB STI
Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: 09_GXP] #4590035
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Originally Posted By: 09_GXP
No racing oil is meant to be ran out to 3k miles. They have very little TBN to combat acidic byproducts. I run Redline 30wt and from talking with Dave, their lead chemist, he recommends not running longer than 8-10 hours or 3 months.


ahh ok. acidic byproducts then, happen regardless of usage (highway/light miles). so there will be buildup and these oils don't have the TBN to combat that buildup. acidic buildup then leads to corrosion. straightforward enough, i suppose. guess you can't have the best of both worlds.

aside from very high zddp, i was hoping to find oils that combat aeration as well.

may still do a 3mo uoa of this, 3mo uoa of dominator, and see what comes up.


06 Mitsubishi Evolution IX MR (6spd) 5w30 RL
11 BMW M3 (6spd) 5w50 RL
07 Toyota Corolla (AT) 0w20 SSO
12 Toyota Prius (CVT) 0w20 SSO
Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: kyoo] #4590047
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I've had good luck running M1 0W-40 in the M42 of my Club Sport; it was my track rat from 1996-2012. Now at 145k it is still running great. The N55 gets BMW(Shell) 0w-30 and has survived quite well so far. If i did more track days I might try something else.


Mine:
2014 M235i
2009 Cooper Clubman
1999 Wrangler Sahara
1995 318ti Club Sport

Wife's:
2015 X1 xDrive28i


Son's
2009 328i

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Re: "Racing" Oils for Autox/Road Racing [Re: kyoo] #4590052
11/30/17 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: kyoo
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: kyoo
Are any of the autocrossers and road racers out there running either of these oils?

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/racing/dominator-10w-30-racing-oil/

https://www.redlineoil.com/30wt-race-oil-10w30

I know a few of you guys are running dominator with success, looks like RL's 30wt is marketed the same way - less detergents, lower OCI, high ZDDP. Curious if these are appropriate for my car (strictly autox, few street miles, 1-2 HPDEs, ~3k mi per OCI). Sounds like it, and I'm not a big long run change OCI guy on my race cars, I save that for my dailies.


I not only Autox'd my Evo's of the past but went to tracks all over California.

I ran Redline 5w30 in my Evo 9 MR running at 26lbs of boost WOT making 340whp on 91 pump, stock internals (minus cams). I ran it like this for 5 yrs. NO ISSUES. I did find that using Redline vs M1 on track dropped my oil temps 20c according to the mechanical gauge I had in the car.

I am a Redline fan after seeing the type of heat my Evo's saw. Not only pushing higher than stock boost, but tracking in 100F+ heat. There were sessions that the Turbo was glowing red, and having UOA's done my reports always came back very good.

My Vote on Redline. Though I used 5w30. Some of my Evo's UOA's may be on this site somewhere if you look haha.


Jeff


Jeff - good to know re: temps. have you ever considered the racing oils? dominator and/or redline 30wt?

curious if you've noted any oil consumption with that usage as well.


No I never used the full blown Race oils and this is why:

1. My cars I tracked were also daily driven. Race Oil in a DD car? Not a good idea, and too expensive to switch out all the time.

2. Redline 5w30 Did it all. Took all I could throw at this oil in the CRAZIEST of conditions. I mean, You folks have NO IDEA haha. When I took the valve cover off to upgrade my cams the head was so clean I could eat off it. When we took my Turbo off to check for wear? The Journals looked frickin new no black marks, nothing loose, I mean looked BRAND NEW.

I dont have pics of the Turbo apart, that was done at night and was kinda a fluke thing we did on the fly, but the cam job I do have pics just on another PC I will see about posting so you can see.

All in all? The 5w30 street oil is all I needed.


Jeff


"You don't have to be crazy to do this... But it helps." Bob Ross.
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