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Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? #4589413
11/29/17 11:08 PM
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Atlanta, GA USA
TheIceStormof06 Offline OP
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I have a 2017 Nissan Murano w/ 18k ODO. Nissan recommends 0w-20 (5W-30 is an option) and I want to stick with Mobil 1 branded 0W-20 if possible. Based on my driving conditions, I choose to go with the M1 0w-20 in Extended Performance Oil with extending OCI to 7.5k from 5k as recommended. But that's only because M1 isn't available in the 0W-20 weight.

I've always thought 7.5k OCI on Mobil 1 Full Synthetic is a walk in the park. Why is 0W-20 Mobil 1 available in EP, AFE, and AP, and High milege formulations and not the Fully Synthetic Mobil 1 0W-20? I thought Mobil 1 being quality is not thin oil that sheers or breaks down...I need an education...what am I missing here?

M1-EP is easy work and probably overkill and uneconomical/unnecessary for going half the OCI sweet spot. But I'd like to stay with Mobil as my preferred brand based on the Group, certifications and specs and gives me comfort knowing my MDX requires the same grade and keeps it simple for me.

Hopefully, this hasn't been discussed here...apologies in advance if it has been discussed here before.

Last edited by TheIceStormof06; 11/29/17 11:14 PM.

17 Nissan Murano (Mobil 1 EP 0w-20 & Fram Ultra 7316 Synthetic Filter)
'17 Acura MDX SH-AWD (Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 & Fram Ultra Synthetic Filter)
Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589419
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Why not AFE?

Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589421
11/29/17 11:15 PM
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You're not making any sense. All 'Mobil 1' branded oils are full-synthetic oils, there are just different 'levels' to them:

Mobil 1 AFE 0W-20 - they brand it as 'Advanced Fuel Effeciency'; but this oil IS 'regular' M1 0W-20.

Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 - the 15k mile Mobil 1 synthetic 0W-20

Mobil 1 AP 0W-20 - the 20k mile Mobil 1 synthetic 0W-20

Mobil 1 HM 0W-20 - the high-mileage Mobil 1 synthetic 0W-20

ALL of them are Mobil 1, full-syn 0W-20's.


2010 Kia Soul 2U - 2.0L I-4, auto; 132k miles.
M1 EP 10W-30; OEM Kia filter.
Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: bigj_16] #4589423
11/29/17 11:17 PM
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My short OCIs make it overkill and it's almost to the cost. I get EP at $22. AFE is ~ $40. I was thinking that's a waste.

But I'm trying to understand why M1 isn't available in 0w-20 weight?


17 Nissan Murano (Mobil 1 EP 0w-20 & Fram Ultra 7316 Synthetic Filter)
'17 Acura MDX SH-AWD (Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 & Fram Ultra Synthetic Filter)
Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589424
11/29/17 11:17 PM
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AFE is synthetic. It's just a 0w so they market its fuel savings. Pretty much all Mobil 1 is synthetic.

Is this a serious post?

Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589425
11/29/17 11:17 PM
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The AFE and EP are excellent synthetic oils. No need to look any further.


2017 Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring

Valvoline Advanced Synthetic 0w20
Mobil 1 M108A EP filter

Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589426
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Please re-read my post above!


2010 Kia Soul 2U - 2.0L I-4, auto; 132k miles.
M1 EP 10W-30; OEM Kia filter.
Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589429
11/29/17 11:18 PM
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I believe some UOAs on here showed 0w/20 afe did better than the EP version....which indicated afe probably has more PAO in it. Hopefully someone can remember the details better than me. For the record, I use 0w/20 afe because of those results. I want to say it was 2015_PSD who pointed that out.

Last edited by mbacfp; 11/29/17 11:20 PM.

2014 F-550 PSD..........M1 Delvac ESP 5w-40 + OEM
2018 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat
2012 Toyota Sienna LTD 3.5L V6
2003 Dodge Durango R/T 4x4 5.9L V8
Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589431
11/29/17 11:19 PM
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Where do you buy it?!? WalMart & other discount stores it's like $22-28 for 5qts of EP or AFE. Either one of those should be fine.

Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589435
11/29/17 11:21 PM
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Then if it's a waste to use them with your change intervals either a.) Extend your interval or b.) Use a syn like Super tech

Seems like you're making a problem just to make problem.

Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589438
11/29/17 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: TheIceStormof06
My short OCIs make it overkill and it's almost to the cost. I get EP at $22.


For 7,500 miles, I would just frankenblend the Mobil 1 50/50 with the cheapest 5W-20 you can find that still meets API specs. You'll still reach 200,000 miles with the vehicle easily.


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Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: addyguy] #4589440
11/29/17 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: addyguy
You're not making any sense. All 'Mobil 1' branded oils are full-synthetic oils, there are just different 'levels' to them:

Mobil 1 AFE 0W-20 - they brand it as 'Advanced Fuel Effeciency'; but this oil IS 'regular' M1 0W-20.

Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 - the 15k mile Mobil 1 synthetic 0W-20

Mobil 1 AP 0W-20 - the 20k mile Mobil 1 synthetic 0W-20

Mobil 1 HM 0W-20 - the high-mileage Mobil 1 synthetic 0W-20

ALL of them are Mobil 1, full-syn 0W-20's.


I am not Not making any sense? Lol Actually, I am making a Ton of sense!!! But I had a question...and you understood some of it. My point wasn't to make any sense, it was to ask a question!

Now if I understand you correctly, your saying 0w-20 AFE is the SAME exact Oil as what M1 0w-20 would be? Ok..where/how can I get this confirmed that it is just rebranded oil? AFE is more than EP where I am and if it doesn't offer me a advantage but with shorter OCI gaurentee.

Also, on Mobil's website, EP compared to AFE in the same weight is said to offer better oil breakdown prevention and do better in higher temperatures.


17 Nissan Murano (Mobil 1 EP 0w-20 & Fram Ultra 7316 Synthetic Filter)
'17 Acura MDX SH-AWD (Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 & Fram Ultra Synthetic Filter)
Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589441
11/29/17 11:33 PM
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You can run 5W20 or 5W30 as well with not a single issue at all. I would run Mobil 1 5W30 in your climate personally.


17 Chrysler Pacifica Mobil 1 5W30
13 Yamaha XT250 Valv MC 10W40
12 Suzuki S40 Rotella 15W40
10 Acura TSX 2.4 PZL Plat 5W30
06 GMC Sierra Nextgen 10W30


Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589443
11/29/17 11:36 PM
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I know exactly what you are saying here... Where is the "Regular" Mobil 1 0w20 ??

Good question.

If I had a newer Nissan like yours my friend... Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0w20. It has a HTHS of 2.7 and will be outstanding for a 7500 mile run. Go with that and enjoy your 2017 Nissan smile

Last edited by bbhero; 11/29/17 11:37 PM.

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Re: Why no M1 0W-20 Fully synthetic oil? [Re: TheIceStormof06] #4589446
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Your point is to not make any sense?
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