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Total Quartz 7000 10w40 #4588735
11/29/17 12:46 PM
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Ether Offline OP
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When looking at the MSDS and TDS documents for this oil,are the more knowledgeable members able to determine if this product is a blend of Group 1 and Group 3 base oils,or is it Group 1 and Group 2 with something else? I have been told previously that the pour point figure is a typo. I am very interested to know an approximate of this oils composition.



http://htsuppliesltd.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Material-Safet-Data-Sheet-Quartz-7000.pdf

http://www.total-distributor-partners.com/media/15337/quartz_7000_10w-40_-_08.2013.pdf

Re: Total Quartz 7000 10w40 [Re: Ether] #4588964
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What is the real pour point?
Iíve used this oil, and it wasnít the best performing 10W40 I tried in cold weather (in my car).
Sorry, canít help for your question.


96 Barchetta, 300V 5W40 | Forfour 95, SHU 0W40
Mazda 6 2.3, M1 AFE 0W20 | Colt Ralliart, 300V 0W40
Re: Total Quartz 7000 10w40 [Re: Ether] #4588984
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No worries.Pour Point is apparently -42

Re: Total Quartz 7000 10w40 [Re: Ether] #4589010
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-42 seem plausible, but low! Well, if Shell HX7 pp is -45ļ, why not.

25% gr I and 15% gr III according to the pdf? Whatís the rest?
Or maybe 25% gr I, 15% gr II, and rest is gr III plus additives, etc. Itís a heavy 10W40, so either some serious gr I, or serious VII! But pour point is low...

(Iím just guessing here, need to wait for real experts)


96 Barchetta, 300V 5W40 | Forfour 95, SHU 0W40
Mazda 6 2.3, M1 AFE 0W20 | Colt Ralliart, 300V 0W40
Re: Total Quartz 7000 10w40 [Re: Ether] #4589112
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Pour Point is irrelevant, which is why they've been replaced with CCS and MRV. It's a 10w-xx which means it is out of spec for pumping at -30C and cold cranking at -25C.


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Re: Total Quartz 7000 10w40 [Re: OVERKILL] #4589174
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Yes, and I've seen rather low pour points for a 15w-40 (i.e. RP 15w-40), around -45 C as I recall, despite me not choosing it as a winter fill. wink Of course, I've seen poor pour points (type that three times fast) in a 5w-30 that I did use for winter.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, Wix 57356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: Total Quartz 7000 10w40 [Re: Ether] #4589369
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At a complete guess, because I'm no expert, and taking the MSDS at face value.....

I think Hydrotreated is Group I, so their are two of these for a total of 40%.
Group II is Hydrocracked. Group III is Catalytic Dewaxing and Hydroisomerization, neither are listed.
Ref: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4564282/
The rest is the add pack at about 8.5%. Certainly not everything is listed and the MSDS only works in very rough figures.

My completely amature guess would be: about 40% Group I and about 10% for the add pack and about 50% Group III (remainder).


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Re: Total Quartz 7000 10w40 [Re: Ether] #4590791
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Does the Viscosity Index of 160 point towards a load of VII, or could it mean a heavy Group 3 base or something else maybe.Does colour give any clues to the type/types of base oils that are used.

Re: Total Quartz 7000 10w40 [Re: Ether] #4591332
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All good questions Ether, and I have no answers for you.

I always assumed that a semi-synthetic was a Group II & Group III mix, and maybe for the thinner US market ILSAC oils it is. But I was shocked to discover that thicker Euro 10W40 oils could be a Group I & Group III mix.

Very few companies tell you what Groups are used in their products, so it's mostly guess work.

Two points I've settled on, if it passes a good standard then it should be a good oil and there is little use in double guessing how they got there. There is a lot of chemistry involved with dispersants, detergents, anti-oxidants, etc that focusing on one component isn't very useful.

Second, if I really don't want any significant amount of Group I base in my formulated oil, then I buy a full synthetic and be done with it.

I have a bit of 10W40 SN & A3/B4 semi-synthetic at home, various brands, some may be Group I & III (with more Group III ?) while some may be Group II & III (with less Group III ?) either way - I'm going to use it without concern. They should all be fine for 6k miles / 10k KM / 12 months.


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