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#4587284 - 11/28/17 07:53 AM Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs?
ZZman Offline


Registered: 03/17/08
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Manual labor/Factory work can be hard and mundane. Technology has made these easier, safer, or eliminates jobs altogether. They have also increases productivity.

Do you see Robotics/AI killing millions of jobs average people used to make a good living?
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#4587289 - 11/28/17 08:01 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: ZZman]
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Originally Posted By: ZZman
Do you see Robotics/AI killing millions of jobs average people used to make a good living?

That's been happening for many decades now.
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#4587291 - 11/28/17 08:04 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: ZZman]
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I would love if robots replaced all the workers in restaurants. That way you get a very consistent product and don't have to tip. smile

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#4587304 - 11/28/17 08:22 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: ZZman]
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Robotics are changing the jobs Americans will be hired to do. Workers will need more education and training. Obviously a college degree is good if you can manage to go for 4 years. But a minimum of HS and a year of technical school. Apprenticeship maybe.

There will be more and more people who are technologically unemployed.

Think of the fireman on steam trains when diesel trains came of age.
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#4587306 - 11/28/17 08:22 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: ZZman]
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Registered: 09/26/17
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I believe when the:
* Typewriter
* Sewing Machine
* Farm Tractor
...... were invented, people were worried about job loss.

A lot of this AI is making factories more productive which lead to lower prices.
Plus, inexpensive Chinese items makes it easier for people to live.

I read about some Countries giving its people a national paycheck.
Example: If your breathing, you receive a check to put everyone at the poverty level.
There are some articles about (pros & cons) the U.S. doing it.

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#4587309 - 11/28/17 08:26 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: ZZman]
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There is a great push for automation in manufacturing. However, low volume products generally don't warrant a robotic assembly line.

Certainly, in my line of work (aviation) assembly line automation is still only a part of aircraft production. We still employ thousands of people to hand assemble components. It's difficult, for example, for robots to string wiring harnesses nose to tail and wing tip to wing tip, on exceedingly complex, low volume aircraft, such as corporate jets. It's not just a plug-n-play job.



Edited by Cujet (11/28/17 08:27 AM)
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#4587323 - 11/28/17 08:45 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: ZZman]
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15 yrs ago, fiber optic technology reduced the volume of space required and the people required to implement phone service by a hundred fold. In ATT's facilities, there are more bdlg maintenance staff than tech staff
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#4587328 - 11/28/17 08:54 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: ZZman]
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I'm with Mastersolenoid. Robots aren't the only pieces of equipment that have replaced workers in mundane, repetitive production. If you've ever watched the show "How it's made", you'll see all kinds of equipment that have been used in the past century that have replaced manual labor in high volume production. Just because they're called "robots" and evoke visions of anthromorphism from Hollywood stories doesn't make them any different from other machinery. It's just another sophisticated piece of equipment that evolved from the manufacturing sector.

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#4587336 - 11/28/17 09:09 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Registered: 05/25/05
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Loc: ROCHESTER, NY
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: ZZman
Do you see Robotics/AI killing millions of jobs average people used to make a good living?

That's been happening for many decades now.


Exactly!
Automation has slowly been taking over jobs worldwide since I started full time work in the early 70's. Today, even moreso.
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#4587340 - 11/28/17 09:13 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: MasterSolenoid]
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Registered: 09/26/10
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Loc: SE Texas
Originally Posted By: MasterSolenoid
I believe when the:
* Typewriter
* Sewing Machine
* Farm Tractor
...... were invented, people were worried about job loss.

A lot of this AI is making factories more productive which lead to lower prices. Plus, inexpensive Chinese items makes it easier for people to live. I read about some Countries giving its people a national paycheck. Example: If your breathing, you receive a check to put everyone at the poverty level. There are some articles about (pros & cons) the U.S. doing it.
I agree with what you say but I do question how much of those "savings" will be passed to the end consumer versus absorbed by corporate greed, but that is a discussion for another day.
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#4587342 - 11/28/17 09:14 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: ZZman]
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Registered: 10/16/16
Posts: 125
Loc: WV
Robotics create more high paying skilled jobs. Someone has to fix them when they break down. Ask me I know. Where I worked, it took two or more skilled crafts to repair a robot that replaced one production worker.


Edited by jonnied1 (11/28/17 09:15 AM)

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#4587367 - 11/28/17 09:43 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: ZZman]
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Registered: 03/17/08
Posts: 5773
Loc: Michigan
One problem with robots and technology is they don't spend money which drives a consumer driven economy like the U. S.

I am afraid that the middle class dream for many is just that now, a dream. Their job opportunities to the middle class are gone or shrinking.


Edited by ZZman (11/28/17 09:43 AM)
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#4587383 - 11/28/17 10:14 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: ZZman]
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So, should we go back to needle and thread instead of sewing machines, because sewing machines don't spend money like people that sew? To what point should we scale back the use of production machinery for the sake of hiring more workers?

If you walk into any factory, you'll see machinery that has replaced people. Not all machinery is robots.

I seriously think people are hung up on the word "robot."

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#4587390 - 11/28/17 10:22 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: Kestas]
ZZman Offline


Registered: 03/17/08
Posts: 5773
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: Kestas
So, should we go back to needle and thread instead of sewing machines, because sewing machines don't spend money like people that sew?


Depends, people used to control the equipment. Computers now can run the machines themselves.
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#4587393 - 11/28/17 10:25 AM Re: Are Robotics/AI killing American Jobs? [Re: ZZman]
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So, you're drawing the line with the use of computers to run a manufacturing facility?

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