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Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man #4586253
11/27/17 04:28 AM
11/27/17 04:28 AM
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Silicon Valley
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You guys probably remembered my post to trouble shoot the warm start problem of my father in law's 97 Camry V6. Recently it went so bad that our daughter was stuck in school or his car is stuck in our driveway after the inlaws dropping her off at our home, about once a week or more. During the Thanksgiving weekend my wife and I suggested to him that we will buy them a "slightly used" car instead. The goal was to provide them with a replacement that will be under warranty for a long time while affordable for their daily routine (about 3 miles per weekday).

The car would have been a Hertz retired 2016 Hyundai Elantra with 82k miles. It would be $8100 and be under warranty for about 8 years with their usage. By then it would be a 10 year old car with around 100k miles, my oldest daughter would be 16 and youngest would be 13, and inlaws be 86 / 88 years old. It sounded just about right to me and my wife.

The idea was rejected for the following reason:

1) They are currently driving a then "top of the line" Camry V6 XLE, and "Nobody downgrade when replacing cars"
2) Mother in law thinks Elantra is too small inside, and the window glass is too small to look outward.
3) Mother in law cannot live with black interior, she needs at least grey but prefer beige, that rules out Hertz.
4) Father in law likes to stay with at least a Toyota Camry, prefer at least a SoftTex seat, and a V6 for smoothness and torque. Based on this he sort of ruled out LE, and he pretty much wants at least an SE if not XLE or XSE.
5) Because we are trying to replace an aging car for reliability over 10 years, it makes no sense to look for something that has little warranty year left (remember they do not drive much, so warranty will expire in years first).
6) Father in law will pay for another 7k to move the budget to 15k from 8k, but it is still not enough to get what "he wants" and what "mother in law wants" ($14.3k if retired SE from Hertz, $19k if SE from other dealers with beige interior, $27k V6 XSE/XLE with extended warranty).


As a result, I would not be helping them with a replacement vehicle. Congratulation Mr. entitled baby boomer, no soup for you. What I am planning to do now, is to "throw parts at the old Camry" to replace anything that can cause reliability issues 10 years down the road in a warm climate with no rust concern. Basically, I want anything that won't last 30 years and 200k miles on that Camry replaced as preventive maintenance.

I'm coming up with a list right now, can you think of anything that I've missed? Which one should I buy reman which one should I buy new?

1. Alternator (reman?)
2. Starter (reman?)
3. Radiator (new any brand)
4. Radiator Hose (new)
5. Timing belt, accessory belts (new, reputable brand)
6. Water pump (new Denso or Aisin)
7. Radiator cap (new OEM)
8. IACV (which brand?)
9. Coil over plug (which brand?)
10. Plugs (Densor or NGK)
11. Thermostat (OEM)
12. Injector (which brand?)
13. Fuel pump (Denso?) and strainer
14. Fuel filter (any brand)
15. Fuel pressure regulator (which brand?)
16. Air filter (any brand)
17. EGR (clean or replace, new or reman?)
18. Exhaust manifold gasket (Fel-Pro)
19. Valve cover gasket (Fel-Pro)
20. Oil pan gasket (Fel-Pro)
21. Timing belt idler pulley (Timken if available, buy with timing belt kit)
22. O2 sensors (Denso or NTK)
23. CV axles / shafts if boot cracked (technically I can ignore it if it is only city driving, OEM)
24. Any other sensors like ECT/CTS, MAP/MAF, Knock, crank angle / position?
25. Anything on the power steering?
26. Anything I've missed?

Things already done long time ago:
1. Struts (KYB GR2)
2. ATF change
3. battery


"You keep asking questions PandaBear and you'll end up a vegetarian like my wife" - Camu Mahubah
Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: PandaBear] #4586257
11/27/17 04:45 AM
11/27/17 04:45 AM
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ROCHESTER, NY
Char Baby Offline
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As-far-as the timing belt JOB is concerned, get the Aisin or Mitsuboshi KIT which includes everything(timing belt & tensioner and associated drive belts, water pump, cam/crank seals, etc.). Both kits are the same just in different boxes because both kits contain parts from both manufactures which are original equipment mfg(OEM).

Definitely do maintenance on the car however, I wouldn't suggest just throwing parts at the car until those said part started giving some issues. Many of those items listed could in fact last a lifetime on a Camry. We've had several Camry's in the family over the years and many of those parts lasted into the 300,000 range without replacement.

The items that you listed, isn't "Refreshing" the Camry as your title states, it's "Rebuilding" it. Do it wisely.

Last edited by Char Baby; 11/27/17 04:47 AM.

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Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: PandaBear] #4586258
11/27/17 05:06 AM
11/27/17 05:06 AM
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N.Ohio
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What happened to the old days when one could get the point across in a sentence or two.


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Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: PandaBear] #4586262
11/27/17 05:26 AM
11/27/17 05:26 AM
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try to convince him to just take the Hyundai for a test Drive, (or a comparable new one at your local dealer)
he might just be surprised how the 4 banger feels.

he'll be surprised just how far even base model cars have come in the last 20 years.

not to mention anything recent will be inherently safer than a 20 yr old car...
(except of course for the whole airbag fiasco...can't recall the companies name, but y'all know who i mean...)


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Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: PandaBear] #4586267
11/27/17 05:43 AM
11/27/17 05:43 AM
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Indiana
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Buy your daughters the 2016 and just let the in laws deal with the older Toyota. Sometimes, the best you can give still isn't enough with these kinds of people.

Wish we were neighbors though. The old Camry sounds like a fun little project. Obviously, it doesn't "need" done in 1 weekend so that makes it a bit more relaxing.


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Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: Lubener] #4586268
11/27/17 05:45 AM
11/27/17 05:45 AM
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Indiana
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Originally Posted By: Lubener
What happened to the old days when one could get the point across in a sentence or two.


Before posting, we really need to think about whether or not what we have to say contributes to the situation.


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Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: dlundblad] #4586273
11/27/17 06:03 AM
11/27/17 06:03 AM
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Virginia
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What happened to the days that people had an attention span greater than that of a gnat. That's far more noticeable in today's time frame.


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Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: PandaBear] #4586278
11/27/17 06:31 AM
11/27/17 06:31 AM
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Atlanta
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I would figure out what is wrong with the car and fix it.

Id use Toyota or the OE equivalent parts.

I WOULD NOT replace perfectly good original parts with rebuilt junk. Maintenance stuff sure do it, but replacing radiators, starters and alternators especially with aftermarket/rebuilt is likely to put you in worse shape than you are now.

As for the entitled old man. People want what they want and the visibility issue may be real. You may be able to put a leather or softex kit in something to meet that requirement.


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Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: PandaBear] #4586279
11/27/17 06:32 AM
11/27/17 06:32 AM
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Virginia Beach
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So, you want him to spend several thousand dollars to replace a car that he likes, instead of getting the hot start problem fixed?

The other alternative is to just throw parts at it, spending money and hoping?

And his daily routine includes driving your kid back and forth to school for you?

But he's entitled???

Last edited by Astro14; 11/27/17 06:33 AM.

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Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: PandaBear] #4586284
11/27/17 06:46 AM
11/27/17 06:46 AM
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Central Virginia
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A bad startercan cause a hot starting issue. Also, does this car have a distributor? Ign. modules can cause it to fail hot. There is something basic and simple wrong with it. Crank position sensor?


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Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: PandaBear] #4586287
11/27/17 06:57 AM
11/27/17 06:57 AM
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Southeastern, PA
Rick in PA Offline
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It's his car, it's his business.

I know you're trying to be helpful, but one lesson I've learned in life is not to push "help" on someone. If they ask, fine.

If I was pushing 80 and still of clear mind, I'd want to make my own decisions.

That's a heck of a list you got there.

Good Luck.


A wise man told me:
"Heat is your friend." and "Any oil is better than no oil."
Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: PandaBear] #4586288
11/27/17 06:58 AM
11/27/17 06:58 AM
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CA
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The 97 Camry and the 16 Elantra apparently have the same overall passenger volume while the Elantra has a slightly bigger trunk. The Elantra does appear to have slightly less rear legroom though. Externally, the Elantra is about 9 inches shorter.

Maybe you could propose a Nissan Leaf as an upgrade instead?


It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that ain't so.

- mistakenly attributed to Mark Twain
Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: DuckRyder] #4586289
11/27/17 07:00 AM
11/27/17 07:00 AM
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Ontario, Canada
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Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
I would figure out what is wrong with the car and fix it.

Id use Toyota or the OE equivalent parts.

I WOULD NOT replace perfectly good original parts with rebuilt junk. Maintenance stuff sure do it, but replacing radiators, starters and alternators especially with aftermarket/rebuilt is likely to put you in worse shape than you are now.

As for the entitled old man. People want what they want and the visibility issue may be real. You may be able to put a leather or softex kit in something to meet that requirement.


+1 thumbsup


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Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: dlundblad] #4586290
11/27/17 07:01 AM
11/27/17 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Buy your daughters the 2016 and just let the in laws deal with the older Toyota.


It sure sounds like they're in elementary school

Re: Refreshing a Camry for an entitled old man [Re: PandaBear] #4586303
11/27/17 07:44 AM
11/27/17 07:44 AM
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texas
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How about run it hot and take it to a mechanic tyat has the proper diagnostic tools. Might be a simple change that costs a couple hundred vs a couple thousand.


Last edited by danez_yoda; 11/27/17 07:45 AM.
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