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Dreadful 5W50 #4585403
11/26/17 10:31 AM
11/26/17 10:31 AM
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Frogland / Brittany
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Finally decided to use this oil today. Useless old 5W50...
Nice giant cans, felt like opening giant beers, very very nice! With a clever opening design, drained perfectly, no drip, I was actually impressed thumbsup

Notice the tachometer reading around 4500rpm on the box, which is probably the maximum this oil will take you grin2


96 Barchetta, Motul 300V 5W40 | 98 Barchetta, Quartz 9000 energy 5W40
05 Forfour 95, SHU 0W40 (gf's car) | 10 Colt Ralliart, 300V 0W40
Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4585412
11/26/17 10:39 AM
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Looks like something I would mix with 0W-20 to make it more "feasible"


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4585413
11/26/17 10:40 AM
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Those are SWEET looking oil cans!!


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Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Pennzoil Platinum 5W20

Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4585414
11/26/17 10:41 AM
11/26/17 10:41 AM
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API SL
ACEA A3/B3

is NOT what I would call "dreadful"


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4585441
11/26/17 11:04 AM
11/26/17 11:04 AM
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PENNSYLVANIA
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The magic elixir smile


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TG8A | 2.5" lift | 148k miles

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Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4585444
11/26/17 11:06 AM
11/26/17 11:06 AM
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Frogland / Brittany
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
is NOT what I would call "dreadful"


It was just a joke, because it is very probably some gr III oil, loaded with VII to give a 50 grade (notice it's AB/B3, not A3/B4) smile
Not good for piston ring cleanliness, apparently.

Actually it's Petronas + Selenia, not just Selenia, so it might not be that old! Petronas bought Selenia in 2008.

I'm totally fan of the can design!


96 Barchetta, Motul 300V 5W40 | 98 Barchetta, Quartz 9000 energy 5W40
05 Forfour 95, SHU 0W40 (gf's car) | 10 Colt Ralliart, 300V 0W40
Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4585625
11/26/17 01:38 PM
11/26/17 01:38 PM
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Uh-oh, you poured it into the engine.
Now it's sheared to a 40-weight. smile


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Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: A_Harman] #4585631
11/26/17 01:43 PM
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Frogland / Brittany
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Haha, very probably (it is supposed to start at 18,6 cSt @100įC)!
And I didn't even start the engine yet^^

Now the big question, will the engine be able to reach 4500rpm ???

Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4585662
11/26/17 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: Popsy


Now the big question, will the engine be able to reach 4500rpm ???


Of course it will. It will just use 20% more fuel doing so.... smile


People who count on their fingers should maintain a discreet silence.
Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4585669
11/26/17 02:16 PM
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Frogland / Brittany
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I'll just have to wait a few days, and the oil will have sheared to a 30 grin


96 Barchetta, Motul 300V 5W40 | 98 Barchetta, Quartz 9000 energy 5W40
05 Forfour 95, SHU 0W40 (gf's car) | 10 Colt Ralliart, 300V 0W40
Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4586699
11/27/17 02:38 PM
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How old is that? i've never seen oil cans like that that resemble a 24oz can of beer.


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1969 Mustang Mach 1 5.8 V8: PYB 10W-30 Napa Gold 1515 filter
1997 Ford F-250 HD 7.3 Powerstroke V8: T6 5W-40 FRAM PH-3786 filter
Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4586726
11/27/17 03:02 PM
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Frogland / Brittany
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I donít know, itís Italian oil, actually made in Italy, and newer than 2008...thatís all I know!


96 Barchetta, Motul 300V 5W40 | 98 Barchetta, Quartz 9000 energy 5W40
05 Forfour 95, SHU 0W40 (gf's car) | 10 Colt Ralliart, 300V 0W40
Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4587093
11/27/17 10:13 PM
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Petronas Selenia range of PCMO's are of higher 'tougher' specs and quality than that of Petronas Malaysia PCMO's.
A3B4 is hard to come by, and C4 C5 spec'ed oils unavailable. tired

Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Popsy] #4587116
11/27/17 10:57 PM
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Frogland / Brittany
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I like the Syntium 7000 0W40 in both Mitsubishi smile
I think this 5W50 was formulated before Petronas took over Selenia (Fiat lubricanti originalli). An uoa of this oil will surely be interesting!


96 Barchetta, Motul 300V 5W40 | 98 Barchetta, Quartz 9000 energy 5W40
05 Forfour 95, SHU 0W40 (gf's car) | 10 Colt Ralliart, 300V 0W40
Re: Dreadful 5W50 [Re: Linctex] #4587176
11/28/17 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
API SL
ACEA A3/B3

is NOT what I would call "dreadful"



You're making the assumption that this oil genuinely meets the requirements of SL/A3/B3. I suspect if you put this ACTUAL 15W50 oil through the tests you need to meet these specs, it would fall woefully short.

The reality is that no oil formulator does any actual test work in an all mineral or semi synthetic 15W50 because (a) it's a tiny volume grade which no one cares about and (b) because it's a horrible, VII-laden oil which is a complete pain in the backside!

The way you 'play the game' to qualify a 15W50 is to exploit the Viscosity Grade Read Across (VGRA) rules. You might pass the Sequence IIIG oxidation/deposits test as a tight 15W40 which then you can read to the 15W50 position. You might pass a 10W40 on the VG sludge test and read it to cover 15W50. You might pass the IVA wear test as a 10W30 to read up. My favourite was always the Cat 1MPC diesel test which you could pass as an ultra tight 10W30 and legitimately read-up to cover the 15W50 CF position (a complete joke but there it is!). The idea is to always pass the 'easy' test to cover the 'hard' position.

The ACEA positions were even worse! I once got a squint at the Peugeot TU5 test results of the biggest European test house sorted by viscosity grade. The number of actual 15W50 A3 level TU5 test passes could be counted on the fingers of one hand of a man whose hand had once had an unfortunate accident with a food blender! (BTW one of those kosher passes was mine).

Most 15W50 TU5 'passes' are read-across from 10W40 results and that's where the real fun & games really start. You're not supposed to know what The Competition are doing but there are always competitor presentations which 'fall off the back of a camel' for one's edification. And you find out that someone has 'passed' the TU5 to A3 with a full mineral 10W40 with a Noack of exactly 13% & 22 SSI VII and you KNOW ABSOLUTELY that it's a big fat lie! However, as it's considered bad form to bad mouth The Opposition you can't say diddly squat.

15W50s are bad news. Avoid!


Last edited by SonofJoe; 11/28/17 04:06 AM.
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