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Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals #4584020
11/24/17 09:56 PM
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Recently i purchased a 12 year old vehicle with about 80k miles, the maintenance on it seems to be neglected due to not being driven a whole lot.

Iím putting on about 300 miles a day (work) and so I put in m1 syn (0w40) with their filter but was thinking perhaps go with cheaper filter and just change it every 2000 miles or so instead of 7-10k Miles.

Logic is obviously the car isnít used in some crazy high performance environment so maybe i can sacrifice some filteration rate but if Iím catching things that were built up in the engine the high end would clog up quicker anyway so using cheap filter method to clean things out for a while might be better.

I was considering the same with actual oil by going conventional but changing filter is easy doing the whole drain far bigger hassle and mess.

Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: izz] #4584032
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Cheaper filters don't always mean worse quality so I like your idea. M1, K&N, AMSoil etc are going to be expensive and not always any better than the big names like Wix or Fram's middle to upper tier filters.

Personally, I'd go for a standard wix and do 3-4k mile filter changes. M1 0W40 is definitely an oil proven to easily go 10k miles so doing a couple or three filter changes will help filtration for sure (if engine is internally sludged up) and the top up oil you'd need for the filter change will also replenish the oil's TBN so you'd maybe go more than 10k miles doing that.


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04 Focus 1.8L|Wesfil Cooper WZ63|Valvoline MST 5W30
05 Kluger 3.3L|Wesfil Cooper WZ418|Magnatec 10W30 Semi Syn
Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: izz] #4584033
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The only 'cheap-cheap' filters I can think of are off shore no name filters I don't wanna touch.

Better to get national brand oil filters on sale, stock up a bit and go for the usual oil change
interval.

If you feel the engine as-is now is really dirty, add an engine oil flush (1 cup of kerosene), idle the engine
for 20 minutes (don't drive it) then dump the oil and replace the filter. Typically a lot of junk will come
out in the oil into the oil change pan. Much better then short OCIs.

Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: izz] #4584037
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300 miles a day is a fair amount of highway I'd assume. The oil will get up to some high temps without a doubt and I'd probably avoid kerosene flushes considering it only has 80k miles on it.

What was the longest it had gone without an oil change in the service history? Does it burn any oil? If it's not burning oil and it didn't go 20k miles without an oil change, it's probably fine.


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04 Focus 1.8L|Wesfil Cooper WZ63|Valvoline MST 5W30
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Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: i_hate_autofraud] #4584040
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Oh for sure i meant $4 ones vs the $10 one i use now.

How safe is the method youíre describing? The motor runs just fine as it is now so i donít want to break things trying to fix it. I also read somewhere that using diesel oil at short OCIs is good way to clean things up.

Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: KL31] #4584042
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Originally Posted By: KL31
300 miles a day is a fair amount of highway I'd assume. The oil will get up to some high temps without a doubt and I'd probably avoid kerosene flushes considering it only has 80k miles on it.

What was the longest it had gone without an oil change in the service history? Does it burn any oil? If it's not burning oil and it didn't go 20k miles without an oil change, it's probably fine.


Thereís no documented service history but it doesnít burn any oil either. I will have to replace oil pan (cheap fix on this car) i noticed it had started to rust (however no leak) but that should do wonders in cleaning things out.

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Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: izz] #4584046
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For many years I have used MC filters at 10K OCIs. Never a problem. One new filter every OC.


2007 Ford Fusion 232,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 55K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and MC LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: tig1] #4584048
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Originally Posted By: tig1
For many years I have used MC filters at 10K OCIs. Never a problem. One new filter every OC.
yeah i typically do the same on a new car or a well maintained one im just trying to get this one back on track or so to say.

Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: izz] #4584059
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Run it for twenty days 6000 miles then do a UOA see what it tells you. If everything looks good run the next one at 25 days or adjust accordingly. By the way what kind of car and which engine?

I wouldn't use just any cheap filter a Tough Guard is only $6.64 at Walmart and it almost filters as effectively as an Ultra! But its rated at 10K miles.

Last edited by JohnnyJohnson; 11/24/17 10:33 PM.

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Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: izz] #4584062
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I just purchased 6 Fram Ultra for my Elantra for $27.49 o Ebay or $4.58 each. Those would go 10,000 miles and not much difference in price than your $4.00 filter. I used to buy oversized filters for my Saturn (3614 OEM and 3600 over sized) for more filtering capacity. If that is an option you may want to try that. I used the extended size Mobil 1 filter in an RX300 when I started running synthetic oil to clean the engine prone to sludging.

300 miles a day. I do not drive that much a week. grin I think I would want less filter changes due to the amount of miles you drive.

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Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: izz] #4584094
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I use and have used proselects. I think they are great for the money and for under 3$ in the USA, you wont sweat when tossing it after a short OCI. Truth is Id run it 3-4k miles minimum though.


2007 Corolla Red Pearl 155k miles
PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: izz] #4584103
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If you're looking for an economy priced filter why not a Walmart Super Tech if it's made in your size? They're inexpensive and made by Wix. What's your year/make/model of vehicle?


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Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: izz] #4584112
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I don't think it's a good idea. You're better off using an expensive filter for two OCIs.

Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: FlyNavyP3] #4584172
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Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
If you're looking for an economy priced filter why not a Walmart Super Tech if it's made in your size? They're inexpensive and made by Wix. What's your year/make/model of vehicle?



Wix ?? I read on here ST filters are now made by Champion labs ???


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01 Suburban 5.3 Mobil 1 HM 10W40/M1-206A

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Re: Using cheaper filters at shorter intervals [Re: Merkava_4] #4584197
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
I don't think it's a good idea. You're better off using an expensive filter for two OCIs.


He's worried about the filter clogging up early as stuff loosens up if it's dirty.

OP, how hard to pull a valve cover and take a look?


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