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#4583301 - 11/23/17 11:31 PM Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2?
lukejo Offline


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Valvoline Full Syn (w/max life) is now at WM in Gen2 version of Dexos.
While not touted as extended drain, Valvoline's higher sodium formulas have always produced EXCELLENT wear results on UOA's.
I'm wondering if they had to change their formula at all to meet Gen 2 specs? Or, at least when it comes to VFSwML, do we already know what to expect without UOA or VOA's because no tweaking (calcium, etc.) was necessary?

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#4583309 - 11/24/17 12:07 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: lukejo]
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Originally Posted By: lukejo
Valvoline Full Syn (w/max life) is now at WM in Gen2 version of Dexos.
While not touted as extended drain, Valvoline's higher sodium formulas have always produced EXCELLENT wear results on UOA's.
I'm wondering if they had to change their formula at all to meet Gen 2 specs? Or, at least when it comes to VFSwML, do we already know what to expect without UOA or VOA's because no tweaking (calcium, etc.) was necessary?

I would say there is no sodium. Do a VOA if you want to know.

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#4583319 - 11/24/17 12:36 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: lukejo]
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http://www.pqiadata.org/Valvoline_SYNPower_0W20_dexos.html

Though it's 0W-20 and the verbage says Dexos 1 but the picture is Dexos 2.

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#4583328 - 11/24/17 01:17 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: anndel]
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That's a dexos1 logo. There is no such thing as a 0w-20 in dexos2.
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#4583331 - 11/24/17 01:22 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: lukejo]
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Maybe he meant dexos 1 gen 2
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#4583335 - 11/24/17 01:40 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: THafeez]
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Probably. GM's artists jumped the shark as it were when they hit dexos1 second generation. The idea of dexos was to simplify things for the consumer, and that has fallen completely off the rails with the second generation.
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#4583342 - 11/24/17 02:25 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: lukejo]
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That looks like a Dexos1 Generation1 logo to me on the PQIA Valvoline bottle.

For Dexos1-Gen2 I think you want something like this
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#4583419 - 11/24/17 07:54 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: lukejo]
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#4583488 - 11/24/17 09:23 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: anndel]
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Originally Posted By: anndel
http://www.pqiadata.org/Valvoline_SYNPower_0W20_dexos.html

Though it's 0W-20 and the verbage says Dexos 1 but the picture is Dexos 2.
That's a Dexos 1 (Gen 1) label, the Dexos 2 logo is blue.
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#4583499 - 11/24/17 09:33 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: lukejo]
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Originally Posted By: lukejo
Valvoline Full Syn (w/max life) is now at WM in Gen2 version of Dexos.
While not touted as extended drain, Valvoline's higher sodium formulas have always produced EXCELLENT wear results on UOA's.
I'm wondering if they had to change their formula at all to meet Gen 2 specs? Or, at least when it comes to VFSwML, do we already know what to expect without UOA or VOA's because no tweaking (calcium, etc.) was necessary?


There is no reason to believe sodium has been substituted for something else. Having said that, a VOA will answer this question.
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#4583503 - 11/24/17 09:39 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: lukejo]
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There's every reason to believe the sodium is gone. Sodium acts as an LSPI accelerant in the presence of calcium. That is why there has been no sodium and significantly lower calcium in the new D1G2 formulations.

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#4583541 - 11/24/17 10:14 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: bigj_16]
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Originally Posted By: bigj_16
There's every reason to believe the sodium is gone. Sodium acts as an LSPI accelerant in the presence of calcium. That is why there has been no sodium and significantly lower calcium in the new D1G2 formulations.


Only way anyone will know is to call Valvoline tech as I did and Mark the tech said ďyes, we are STILL using Sodium.Ē

If you donít like that reply you can always send a sample in for VOA
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#4583549 - 11/24/17 10:25 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: lukejo]
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The best way to find out is analysis.

Valvoline may still be using sodium according to Mark the V tech but the question of moly and boron still exists. I assume the two can be used in the same formulation. Also the level of sodium would be important.
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#4583567 - 11/24/17 10:47 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: lukejo]
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Itís a non metallic sodium I know this from talking to a different technician 2 years ago. Shotgun429 has saw real clean engines so his word is good enough for me smile


I still canít wrap my head around the hatred and dislike for sodium in oils when people donít know what sodium even does. Hmmm
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#4583568 - 11/24/17 10:48 AM Re: Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2? [Re: PimTac]
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
The best way to find out is analysis.

Valvoline may still be using sodium according to Mark the V tech but the question of moly and boron still exists. I assume the two can be used in the same formulation. Also the level of sodium would be important.


Sodium is cheaper than Moly I learned; why Valvoline stopped using it
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