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MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 #4581083
11/21/17 02:55 PM
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For a NA ford with a 3.5 duratec with dual VVT. I am planing to use Castrol Edge Extended Performance (gold bottle) 5w-20.

Are the BOSS filters better at filtration and quality than the FL500S? Its around $12 compared to $8 for the motorcraft.


2013 Ford Edge - 3.5L V6 Ti-VCT
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5W-20 + Motorcraft FL-500S.
Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek] #4581125
11/21/17 04:09 PM
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I would run the MC filter. That and you can get them cheaper than $8. Showing $6 at amazon with free shipping.


yup
Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek] #4581193
11/21/17 05:47 PM
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FL500S is like 5.97 @ wal mart.

A Fram XG is like 8.97 and I’d use it before a boss @ 12.00.

But to answer your question, based on the Amsoil OEM filter test and PUROS specs for the boss, the boss very likely filters more efficiently. As for quality there have not been a lot of boss filters dissected yet, but the one’s I’ve seen so far are nice as long as your particular application is one that allows the ADBV to contact the tapping plate and get cut.


Robert
  • 2007 Toyota Prius Touring
  • 2005 Honda Civic Sedan
  • 1972 Ford F100
Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek] #4581239
11/21/17 06:34 PM
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You can get a Fram Tough Guard for $6.64 and Walmart that efficiency level is 99% plus.


2004 Corolla 124831
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek] #4581817
11/22/17 12:33 PM
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6-packs of Fram Ultras on ebay run $24-$30 - so about $4-$5 a filter


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: DuckRyder] #4582587
11/23/17 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
But to answer your question, based on the Amsoil OEM filter test and PUROS specs for the boss, the boss very likely filters more efficiently.


Per the "Purolator Response Office", the Boss is 99% @ 40 microns (not 20u), so not very efficient - LINK .

Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek] #4582596
11/23/17 06:14 AM
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The Pure One (blue can) is more the same level as the 500s. Paper/ synthetic blended media, silicone ADBV.

The boss is wire backed synthetic.




03 Jeep WJ 4.0 200k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 149k Rotella T5 10w30 Supertech ST3980

Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: dlundblad] #4582603
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
But to answer your question, based on the Amsoil OEM filter test and PUROS specs for the boss, the boss very likely filters more efficiently.


Per the "Purolator Response Office", the Boss is 99% @ 40 microns (not 20u), so not very efficient - LINK .


Interesting I wonder if that is for all filter part numbers as I seem to recall that certain part numbers were rated at 40 even back in the yellow can days. The amsoil test rates an 820S at 93.7% @20 so not the same part number we are talking about here.

So is 99%@40 better or worse than 93.7%@20 and is the efficiency of an FL500S the same as an FL820S and has said efficiency remained unchanged since 2/2011 and additionally was the FL820S tested by Amsoil representative of all FL820S? Lotta questions there.

Side note, I think omitting the micron ratings (particularly when they are different) on the website is shady.


Originally Posted By: dlundblad


The boss is wire backed synthetic.



It is a plastic mesh. (Puro calls it “Polymer Mesh”)


Robert
  • 2007 Toyota Prius Touring
  • 2005 Honda Civic Sedan
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Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: DuckRyder] #4582611
11/23/17 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
It is a plastic mesh. (Puro calls it “Polymer Mesh”)


What's the difference?

Their cutout photo says "Synthetic."

http://www.pureoil.com/fileadmin/user_up...wayZoom-rev.jpg


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 200k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 149k Rotella T5 10w30 Supertech ST3980

Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: dlundblad] #4582615
11/23/17 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
It is a plastic mesh. (Puro calls it “Polymer Mesh”)


What’s the difference?

Their cutout photo says "Synthetic."

http://www.pureoil.com/fileadmin/user_up...wayZoom-rev.jpg


What is the difference in what? Polymer and Plastic? Probably nothing practically speaking, but:

http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-plastic-and-polymer



About :28 in it talks about “SmartFUSION”.


Robert
  • 2007 Toyota Prius Touring
  • 2005 Honda Civic Sedan
  • 1972 Ford F100
Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: DuckRyder] #4582650
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Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
It is a plastic mesh. (Puro calls it “Polymer Mesh”)


What’s the difference?

Their cutout photo says "Synthetic."

http://www.pureoil.com/fileadmin/user_up...wayZoom-rev.jpg


What is the difference in what? Polymer and Plastic? Probably nothing practically speaking, but:

http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-plastic-and-polymer



About :28 in it talks about “SmartFUSION”.


What's the difference between synthetic and plastic/ polymer mesh?


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 200k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 149k Rotella T5 10w30 Supertech ST3980

Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek] #4582680
11/23/17 09:22 AM
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Happy Thanksgiving oil filter discussers, Anyone who has gone fishing knows synthetic line is strong. Strong enough. I have come to the conclusion they are all shady about the efficiency % except Champ who uses the 98.7% efficiency point, the statistical limit of the test. The problem is if they put 98.7% and the competitor has 99.9% on their box, people will tend to buy the 99% even though it means nothing. So they keep increasing the miles allowed and the % to compete. They all should have the efficiency 98.67% @ X microns. IMO and now the turkey day begins here.

Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: dlundblad] #4582694
11/23/17 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad


What's the difference between synthetic and plastic/ polymer mesh?


I’m really not sure I understand what you are getting at.

You originally said it was metal mesh and it isn’t (The old Purolator Synthetic filter PSL part numbers were metal mesh)

I said it was Plastic and Puro calls it Polymer

You asked what the difference is and I answered with:

Originally Posted By: DuckRyder

What is the difference in what? Polymer and Plastic? Probably nothing practically speaking, but:

http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-plastic-and-polymer



(Cliff notes, plastic is polymer, but polymer may not be plastic)

Now you are adding “Synthetic” to the discussion.

Same cliff notes answer I think..

So what exactly are you trying to get at here?


Robert
  • 2007 Toyota Prius Touring
  • 2005 Honda Civic Sedan
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Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: DuckRyder] #4582729
11/23/17 10:27 AM
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DuckRyder - The article at the link you posted is really good and adds to understanding the difference between plastics and polymers.


2004 Ford Ranger 4.0L V6
Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek] #4582737
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Happy Thanksgiving BITOG members.
I would use a FRAM ULTRA before using either one of the 2 aforementioned filters.


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