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#4581083 - 11/21/17 01:55 PM MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500
AntDeek Offline


Registered: 08/15/15
Posts: 51
Loc: NJ
For a NA ford with a 3.5 duratec with dual VVT. I am planing to use Castrol Edge Extended Performance (gold bottle) 5w-20.

Are the BOSS filters better at filtration and quality than the FL500S? Its around $12 compared to $8 for the motorcraft.
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#4581125 - 11/21/17 03:09 PM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek]
Jimzz Offline


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I would run the MC filter. That and you can get them cheaper than $8. Showing $6 at amazon with free shipping.
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#4581193 - 11/21/17 04:47 PM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek]
DuckRyder Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
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Loc: Atlanta
FL500S is like 5.97 @ wal mart.

A Fram XG is like 8.97 and I’d use it before a boss @ 12.00.

But to answer your question, based on the Amsoil OEM filter test and PUROS specs for the boss, the boss very likely filters more efficiently. As for quality there have not been a lot of boss filters dissected yet, but the one’s I’ve seen so far are nice as long as your particular application is one that allows the ADBV to contact the tapping plate and get cut.
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#4581239 - 11/21/17 05:34 PM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek]
JohnnyJohnson Offline


Registered: 10/22/09
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You can get a Fram Tough Guard for $6.64 and Walmart that efficiency level is 99% plus.
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#4581817 - 11/22/17 11:33 AM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek]
Linctex Offline


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6-packs of Fram Ultras on ebay run $24-$30 - so about $4-$5 a filter
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#4582587 - 11/23/17 03:38 AM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: DuckRyder]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
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Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
But to answer your question, based on the Amsoil OEM filter test and PUROS specs for the boss, the boss very likely filters more efficiently.


Per the "Purolator Response Office", the Boss is 99% @ 40 microns (not 20u), so not very efficient - LINK .

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#4582596 - 11/23/17 05:14 AM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
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The Pure One (blue can) is more the same level as the 500s. Paper/ synthetic blended media, silicone ADBV.

The boss is wire backed synthetic.


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#4582603 - 11/23/17 05:33 AM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: dlundblad]
DuckRyder Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
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Loc: Atlanta
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
But to answer your question, based on the Amsoil OEM filter test and PUROS specs for the boss, the boss very likely filters more efficiently.


Per the "Purolator Response Office", the Boss is 99% @ 40 microns (not 20u), so not very efficient - LINK .


Interesting I wonder if that is for all filter part numbers as I seem to recall that certain part numbers were rated at 40 even back in the yellow can days. The amsoil test rates an 820S at 93.7% @20 so not the same part number we are talking about here.

So is 99%@40 better or worse than 93.7%@20 and is the efficiency of an FL500S the same as an FL820S and has said efficiency remained unchanged since 2/2011 and additionally was the FL820S tested by Amsoil representative of all FL820S? Lotta questions there.

Side note, I think omitting the micron ratings (particularly when they are different) on the website is shady.


Originally Posted By: dlundblad


The boss is wire backed synthetic.



It is a plastic mesh. (Puro calls it “Polymer Mesh”)
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#4582611 - 11/23/17 06:01 AM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: DuckRyder]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
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Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
It is a plastic mesh. (Puro calls it “Polymer Mesh”)


What's the difference?

Their cutout photo says "Synthetic."

http://www.pureoil.com/fileadmin/user_up...wayZoom-rev.jpg
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#4582615 - 11/23/17 06:15 AM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: dlundblad]
DuckRyder Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
It is a plastic mesh. (Puro calls it “Polymer Mesh”)


What’s the difference?

Their cutout photo says "Synthetic."

http://www.pureoil.com/fileadmin/user_up...wayZoom-rev.jpg


What is the difference in what? Polymer and Plastic? Probably nothing practically speaking, but:

http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-plastic-and-polymer



About :28 in it talks about “SmartFUSION”.
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#4582650 - 11/23/17 07:31 AM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: DuckRyder]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10002
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
It is a plastic mesh. (Puro calls it “Polymer Mesh”)


What’s the difference?

Their cutout photo says "Synthetic."

http://www.pureoil.com/fileadmin/user_up...wayZoom-rev.jpg


What is the difference in what? Polymer and Plastic? Probably nothing practically speaking, but:

http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-plastic-and-polymer



About :28 in it talks about “SmartFUSION”.


What's the difference between synthetic and plastic/ polymer mesh?
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#4582680 - 11/23/17 08:22 AM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek]
goodtimes Offline


Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 2845
Loc: california
Happy Thanksgiving oil filter discussers, Anyone who has gone fishing knows synthetic line is strong. Strong enough. I have come to the conclusion they are all shady about the efficiency % except Champ who uses the 98.7% efficiency point, the statistical limit of the test. The problem is if they put 98.7% and the competitor has 99.9% on their box, people will tend to buy the 99% even though it means nothing. So they keep increasing the miles allowed and the % to compete. They all should have the efficiency 98.67% @ X microns. IMO and now the turkey day begins here.

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#4582694 - 11/23/17 08:41 AM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: dlundblad]
DuckRyder Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 4206
Loc: Atlanta
Originally Posted By: dlundblad


What's the difference between synthetic and plastic/ polymer mesh?


I’m really not sure I understand what you are getting at.

You originally said it was metal mesh and it isn’t (The old Purolator Synthetic filter PSL part numbers were metal mesh)

I said it was Plastic and Puro calls it Polymer

You asked what the difference is and I answered with:

Originally Posted By: DuckRyder

What is the difference in what? Polymer and Plastic? Probably nothing practically speaking, but:

http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-plastic-and-polymer



(Cliff notes, plastic is polymer, but polymer may not be plastic)

Now you are adding “Synthetic” to the discussion.

Same cliff notes answer I think..

So what exactly are you trying to get at here?
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#4582729 - 11/23/17 09:27 AM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: DuckRyder]
WellOiled Offline


Registered: 10/03/15
Posts: 1356
Loc: Houston, Texas
DuckRyder - The article at the link you posted is really good and adds to understanding the difference between plastics and polymers.
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#4582737 - 11/23/17 09:33 AM Re: MC FL-500S vs BOSS 22500 [Re: AntDeek]
BlueOvalFitter Offline


Registered: 02/28/03
Posts: 6003
Loc: Cajun Country, La.
Happy Thanksgiving BITOG members.
I would use a FRAM ULTRA before using either one of the 2 aforementioned filters.


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