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Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again #4580887
11/21/17 11:23 AM
11/21/17 11:23 AM
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WA (USA)
Y_K Offline OP
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The man has been seeking attention lately:

Kiss the good times goodbye


"This forum talking about 4wd systems is like when other forums talk about oil."
Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: Y_K] #4580900
11/21/17 11:34 AM
11/21/17 11:34 AM
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A Highway Near You
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What none of these futurists seem to comprehend is...some people actually enjoy driving!!!


HDEO in Diesel Engines. No spark plugs here.
Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: Y_K] #4580904
11/21/17 11:37 AM
11/21/17 11:37 AM
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Waco, TX
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There will be "retrofit" kits for older cars that use servos to replace the driver (if it ever comes to that)


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: Y_K] #4580906
11/21/17 11:38 AM
11/21/17 11:38 AM
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There will certainly be a shift in the next 50 years in the automotive/autonomous human delivery systems. The younger generation couldn't care less about driving and owning cars, much less maintaining them. I'm in the last generation (roughly) that getting a driver's license was a major milestone for. I love driving, owning, and wrenching on my vehicles.

That being said, I'm not sure that not having a car payment, not wanting/having a garage, not dealing with commuting, not sleeping on a long trip, not constantly worrying if that on-coming car is going to go over the yellow line, etc... are bad things.


'16 Frontier SV 4x4-PP/Nissan OEM
'08 CR-V EX AWD-Valvoline Syn MaxLife/Fram TG
'01 Civic EX-Valvoline Syn MaxLife/Fram UG
'00 Civic LX-PYB/Fram UG
Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: Y_K] #4580911
11/21/17 11:42 AM
11/21/17 11:42 AM
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Ca.
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They need to get off this guy stat. He's just to out of it to run a company like GM. The wrong guy full stop.

Horse analogies don't work with the current user base.

What was an opportunity to pimp the brand and an exciting future sounds more like gloom and doom.


His future is as far off as a flying car rotating on a podium- they didn't get right back then- he doesnt have it right now.




UD


Uncle Dave
Cat 3126/2 MB3500/Titan/RX400H/17 Ridgeline
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Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: Y_K] #4580914
11/21/17 11:47 AM
11/21/17 11:47 AM
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S California
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He could be correct. It's the large corporations that will decide because they own the market and the politicians. The corporations will continue to direct human behavior for their benefit. You'll continue to buy your food at the grocery chain store, take your pills and do everything else with your smartphone and your fingerprint. You will continue to be rewarded for good behavior and your entitlement will be assured. You will be allowed to check your score with the appropriate app. Everyone will succeed.

Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: PiperOne] #4580917
11/21/17 11:50 AM
11/21/17 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted By: PiperOne
What none of these futurists seem to comprehend is...some people actually enjoy driving!!!


I totally get what you are saying. I am one of those. But have you paid attention to one of the differences between generations? I'm on the tail end of the baby boomers. When I was in high school, one of the great moments of life was getting your driver's license. Everyone got theirs as soon as they qualified.

But that isn't true of the kids now. There is a large percent of kids that don't get a driver's license. They are perfectly satisfied to bum rides from others, or ride the bus, or even walk. I can see this younger generation being thrilled with being able to hail a self driving car for a ride, being able to go where they want, but never having to be concerned with all the details of car ownership.

I'm afraid we a dying breed. Forty years from now most of us car lovers will either be dead or in a care center. There will be a few kids that will hang on to the iron that we loved, but for the most part it will all be in museums somewhere, as a testament of how things used to be.


2013 Subaru Outback 2.5i - Idemitsu 0W-20 & Mobil 1 filter
2007 Mercedes SL550 - M1M 5W-40 & MB OEM filter
2003 Oldsmobile Alero 3.4 - M1 5W-30 & NAPA Gold filter
Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: Y_K] #4580918
11/21/17 11:52 AM
11/21/17 11:52 AM
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Storrs, Connecticut
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This guy is a moron.


2000 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L (181k) - Pennzoil 10w30, Napa Gold 1516, Magnefine trans filter
2009 BMW 328i (34k) - Castrol Edge Euro 0w40, MANN HU816X
Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: Y_K] #4580924
11/21/17 11:56 AM
11/21/17 11:56 AM
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Phoenix
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Self driving cars are coming, no question. And why own one when you can just request one on your phone? I think he's onto something.


2018 Challenger SRT
Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: Y_K] #4580925
11/21/17 11:57 AM
11/21/17 11:57 AM
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KY
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The whole autonomous/pod sharing technology can work in a densely populated urban area, but try that with a suburban family with 1-2 kids and piano lessons, ball practice etc.- it ain't happening...


Mine:
2014 M235i
1999 Wrangler Sahara
1995 318ti Club Sport

Wife's:
2009 Cooper Clubman

Son's
2009 328i

Buy what makes you smile...
Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: BHopkins] #4580937
11/21/17 12:12 PM
11/21/17 12:12 PM
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Originally Posted By: PiperOne
What none of these futurists seem to comprehend is...some people actually enjoy driving!!!


I totally get what you are saying. I am one of those. But have you paid attention to one of the differences between generations? I'm on the tail end of the baby boomers. When I was in high school, one of the great moments of life was getting your driver's license. Everyone got theirs as soon as they qualified.

But that isn't true of the kids now. There is a large percent of kids that don't get a driver's license. They are perfectly satisfied to bum rides from others, or ride the bus, or even walk. I can see this younger generation being thrilled with being able to hail a self driving car for a ride, being able to go where they want, but never having to be concerned with all the details of car ownership.

I'm afraid we a dying breed. Forty years from now most of us car lovers will either be dead or in a care center. There will be a few kids that will hang on to the iron that we loved, but for the most part it will all be in museums somewhere, as a testament of how things used to be.


I think you are mostly noticing younger folks who live in dense urban areas. People out in the 'sticks' still love their cars and I hear all sorts of commotion every day that the nearby high school lets out at 2:30 PM. The kids still love driving.

All this yikyak about self driving cars and trucks is just a lot of wishful talking or even virtue signaling.

Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: Y_K] #4580941
11/21/17 12:17 PM
11/21/17 12:17 PM
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Ontario, Canada
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After driving in my bosses Tesla SUV, I wasn't overly impressed with it. I do like that it would be really cheap to fill it compared to a gasoline engine and there is no need for oil changes, muffler replacement and most likely no need for brakes ever, range anxiety is still a problem at this point and as a traveling sales guy I don't have hours to recharge it and I need it to be capable of at least 300 miles a day so with running all the accessories like the heater etc. I will will have enough range to get back home. Also the price is ridiculous for what you get at the moment which is a huge factor as well.

Last edited by StevieC; 11/21/17 12:18 PM.

'18 Dodge Grand Caravan GT - Valvoline (Break-in)
'06 Santa Fe - 535,000km AMSOIL SS 0w30 / ATF
Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: MCompact] #4580959
11/21/17 12:40 PM
11/21/17 12:40 PM
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Posts: 3,322
NJ
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Originally Posted By: MCompact
The whole autonomous/pod sharing technology can work in a densely populated urban area, but try that with a suburban family with 1-2 kids and piano lessons, ball practice etc.- it ain't happening...


Why wouldn't it work? Your kid uses an app, a car arrives and takes him to his piano lesson. Hits the app again and another self driving car shows up to take him to ball practice.

Just like Uber except no driver.

Insurance premiums for driving yourself will go way up. Crash your car while human-driving? Open up your checkbook. Some states like Montana might reject the new safer self-driving cars. Montana will see a huge influx of old cars and people. Auto Zone and AAP will merge and relocate all their stores to Montana.

Other states will have tracks or roadways where you can pay to drive a car yourself after you sign waivers. People will exclaim, "It was so exciting to drive myself! But glad I don't have to do that everyday. It was so exhausting after 10 minutes."


Without data you're just another person with an opinion. W. E. Deming

2003 Corolla 250,000 miles
2004 Rav4 359,000 miles
2015 Camry 59,000 miles
Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: Y_K] #4580960
11/21/17 12:40 PM
11/21/17 12:40 PM
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Posts: 2,409
St. Louis
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St. Louis
Once we go to 5g this will come sooner than you would think. He is not saying anything different than what I heard or read elsewhere. He has probably been to the meetings where it is all planned then filtered or expressed in the Bob Lutz way.

I related to the horse analogy. My Great Grandfather was the town blacksmith. Shoeing horses was one of his jobs.

In high school I was studying to repair TV's. They had tubes back then. Just set up my first Smart TV yesterday.

I realize my Elantra may be the last car I ever own. When it becomes more expensive to own a car than ride autonomously people will comply. But, when that happens they will have to remove my last bottle of Pennzoil Plantinum from my cold dead hands. grin


Truth alone triumphs, not untruth.

2017 Elantra SE
Re: Bob Lutz Strikes Again and Again [Re: Reddy45] #4580963
11/21/17 12:42 PM
11/21/17 12:42 PM
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NJ
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Originally Posted By: Reddy45
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Originally Posted By: PiperOne
What none of these futurists seem to comprehend is...some people actually enjoy driving!!!


I totally get what you are saying. I am one of those. But have you paid attention to one of the differences between generations? I'm on the tail end of the baby boomers. When I was in high school, one of the great moments of life was getting your driver's license. Everyone got theirs as soon as they qualified.

But that isn't true of the kids now. There is a large percent of kids that don't get a driver's license. They are perfectly satisfied to bum rides from others, or ride the bus, or even walk. I can see this younger generation being thrilled with being able to hail a self driving car for a ride, being able to go where they want, but never having to be concerned with all the details of car ownership.

I'm afraid we a dying breed. Forty years from now most of us car lovers will either be dead or in a care center. There will be a few kids that will hang on to the iron that we loved, but for the most part it will all be in museums somewhere, as a testament of how things used to be.


I think you are mostly noticing younger folks who live in dense urban areas. People out in the 'sticks' still love their cars and I hear all sorts of commotion every day that the nearby high school lets out at 2:30 PM. The kids still love driving.

All this yikyak about self driving cars and trucks is just a lot of wishful talking or even virtue signaling.


People said the same thing about horses 100 years ago.


Without data you're just another person with an opinion. W. E. Deming

2003 Corolla 250,000 miles
2004 Rav4 359,000 miles
2015 Camry 59,000 miles
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