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Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain #4580301
11/20/17 05:37 PM
11/20/17 05:37 PM
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southern mo
ram_man Offline OP
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I have these tires on my car they're a very stiff tire but in the dryer they handle great
In the wet though I have a hard time even taking off. I can't take off aggressively at all. Even when I take off average like I have a hard time gaining grip. I have to drive like grandma to not spin the tires and upset the traction control. Anyone else had these experience this? Is there anything I can do?


2014 dodge dart GT
1995 Dodge ram 1500


Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4580319
11/20/17 06:04 PM
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I had something similar with my BF Goodrich Advantage T/A. I switched to Michelin Premier A/S when it was time to replace my tires. No regrets. The wet grip is insanely good.


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Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4580348
11/20/17 06:38 PM
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Uniroyal's tires are all cheap junk. Don't be fooled by the Michelin ownership.

Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4580362
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"The cheap comes out expensive" - Judge Marilyn Milian


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Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4580401
11/20/17 07:10 PM
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Did you recently buy them and are they from a national chain? You might have a satisfaction trial period and be able to exchange them.
Contact Uniroyal BY PHONE and complain. https://www.uniroyaltires.com/homepage/about-uniroyal/Contact-us.html


You could have them siped. It may or may not help and you may have a hard time finding someone that does it or will do used tires.
The tread compound obviously sucks. I'm sure there is a Youtube video on siping.


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Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4580421
11/20/17 07:24 PM
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You post your findings on tire rack.com to warn other folks and pick well reviewed tires by folks and see what bubbles up to top for your driving conditions AND budget.

Been there done that, unfortunate.

Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4580467
11/20/17 08:19 PM
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Yeah these are junk. I used to use them as burners on the drift car as my rear size was quite cheap and I lived 2 miles from tire rack.


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Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4580549
11/20/17 09:25 PM
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That is exactly the kind of performance I would expect from a cheap Ultra High Performance All-Season tire. Cheap, and bad.

It is also exactly the kind of performance everyone here has always gotten from anything named "Uniroyal". Cheap, and bad.

Did you really have some other kind of expectation?


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Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4580581
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Great tires have been recommended you in the past. You insist on going to budget route and it has ended up costing you more in the long run. Spring the money for better tires this time. Maybe save the money spent on cosmetic stuff and put it towards more practical things.


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Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4580596
11/20/17 10:17 PM
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Cooper Zeon RS3A. Cheap but great grip.


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PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4580623
11/21/17 12:01 AM
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southern mo
ram_man Offline OP
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Last time I tried to buy tires I bought the Coopers and they were terrible and the store replace them a couple times never could get them to balance out correctly and finally just said they were going to put Uniroyal back on it I requested something else but pretty much got railroaded looking back I should have just in the ground but it was so overwhelming having to drive a half hour over and over for them to try to fix a problem that I just wanted it done.


2014 dodge dart GT
1995 Dodge ram 1500


Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4581327
11/21/17 07:08 PM
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Just for conversation sake how good are falken tires? Aren't they made by sumitomo?

Last edited by ram_man; 11/21/17 07:15 PM.

2014 dodge dart GT
1995 Dodge ram 1500


Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4581350
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Originally Posted By: ram_man
Just for conversation sake how good are falken tires? Aren't they made by sumitomo?

Sumitomo owns Falken, just like Michelin owns Uniroyal, and look where that got you. smile

Falken is a lower end brand.


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Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: Quattro Pete] #4581372
11/21/17 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: ram_man
Just for conversation sake how good are falken tires? Aren't they made by sumitomo?


Falken tires are awesome! I have the Ziex ZE950 on my car, and they have been good so far. My tire size is 205/65-15, and the ZE950 is the only tire in my size that has a speed rating of W, which is awesome. A W-rated 65-series tire is cool! cool

Easily one of the best lower-priced tires out there.

And yes, Sumitomo is the parent company of Falken.

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

Sumitomo owns Falken, just like Michelin owns Uniroyal, and look where that got you. smile

Falken is a lower end brand.


There is a MUCH bigger difference between Michelin and Uniroyal (Michelin makes their tires differently than everybody else, including their own subsidiaries BFG and Uniroyal). The Michelin system cannot be done in other factories, and the standard production cannot be done in Michelin's plants. For example, you won't see Defenders and Pilot Super
Sports made in the former Uniroyal/BFG factories. And you won't see Tiger Paws and Comp-2's made alongside Michelin-branded tires. I remember Capriracer talking about this before, but I can't find the post.

BF Goodrich tires are decent. However, Uniroyal is garbage even by lower end brand standards. And they were even worse before the Michelin takeover crzy

---NOTE----
Uniroyal is owned by Michelin in the US, but in Europe, Uniroyal is owned by Continental. The Conti-made Uniroyals are not sold in the US by anyone under any name, not Michelin, not Conti, not General, not anybody.
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The difference between Sumitomo and Falken is essentially zero. In fact, Sumitomo sells relatively few tires under its own name, as the Falken brand is much more popular. The summer tires for both brands are mostly made in Japan (Sumitomo HTR Z III, Falken Azenis FK510, RT615K, etc), while the all-seasons are mostly made in Thailand and Indonesia. But Sumitomo does own Goodyear's old Tonawanda factory now, and they have started making Falken tires there now; it is their only US factory. I don't know exactly which tires the will be making there, but I'm sure some of the OE tires will come from there.

In fact, the ZE950 I mentioned earlier is also sold as the Sumitomo HTR AS P02. The only difference is slightly different siping. And another twist, DT/DTD sells a private/exclusive version of the Sumitomo version under than name Falken Pro G4, but it is actually a Sumitomo HTR P02, not a Falken ZE950 crzy

Other low end brands are better than Uniroyal. For example, Goodyear's Kelly and Cooper's Mastercraft are better than Uniroyal. Plus, most Kelly tires are US-made, and so are the Walmart Douglas tires (also Goodyears).

Re: Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain [Re: ram_man] #4581397
11/21/17 08:13 PM
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If you want ridiculously good traction in wet and dry and your tire size is the 225/40/ZR18 I see on TireRack, then I suggest these:

Michelin Pilot Super Sport

A slightly more budget-oriented option would be the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S3+


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