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Firewall, Box or Software? #4580112
11/20/17 01:47 PM
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So what is better for a firewall, a hard box or software?

Currently use a Verizon JetPack for the wifi internet fed into a Netgear router as a client.

Have the desktop connected through an Ethernet cord and the laptops through wifi of the Netgear.


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Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580118
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The advantage of a box over software is that a box will not slow your PC (or use any of its resources) whereas many software firewalls will (depending on how much traffic is flowing and how many rules are in place). Software can be cheaper than a box, is usually easier to configure, and **may** be updated more frequently than a box. I have used both and have had good luck with both.

Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580122
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So any suggestions? I would rather stay away from annual fees.


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Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580127
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Your router should already be acting as a firewall. Look around the configuration pages.

Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580129
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It is working. I was wondering if there was something more robust? Netgear R6300 V2


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Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580130
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Some times I directly access the internet through wifi and the Verizon Jetpack, bypassing the router. I need something to protect this I think. I don't often do so though.


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Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580156
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What are you trying to protect that you need something more robust than your router?

The level of security should match the level of risk/loss.


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Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580158
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When I use the USB wifi adapter on the desktop to the Verizon Jetpack there is no router. Or on my laptop directly accessing the Verizon Jetpack.


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Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580197
11/20/17 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
When I use the USB wifi adapter on the desktop to the Verizon Jetpack there is no router. Or on my laptop directly accessing the Verizon Jetpack.


But what are you trying to filter? ESET Smart Security offers more "firewall" features than say their NOD32 product, but both block malicious URL's for example, so both do some traffic filtering.

There's no point investing in a hardware firewall, even a cheap one like a SonicWall, if there are going to be periods where you aren't using it and still want protection.


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Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580259
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
When I use the USB wifi adapter on the desktop to the Verizon Jetpack there is no router. Or on my laptop directly accessing the Verizon Jetpack.



That's a useful piece of information... If you're accessing without the internet going through a physical box like your router, I would make sure to have some kind of software running locally on each machine.

Do you run a local virus protection software? A lot of times those package have a firewall built in (might have to pay more for that feature).

Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580261
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I suppose it's time to pony up for some paid anti virus. I currenty use Avast free.


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Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580264
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ON, Canada eh?
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I used to be on ESET Smart Security but it kept messing up with Windows Updates and I had to keep reinstalling it after a full removal to remedy the problem so I moved over to BitDefender and I'm quite happy. Just FWIW

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Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580440
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run the router firewall and windows firewall, this would be pretty secure for inbound attacks

Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: StevieC] #4580671
11/21/17 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
I used to be on ESET Smart Security but it kept messing up with Windows Updates and I had to keep reinstalling it after a full removal to remedy the problem so I moved over to BitDefender and I'm quite happy. Just FWIW


That's odd, I've never experienced that on over 4-500 installs shrug But most of those have been with EndPoint, though I do have a few small sites with Smart Security with a mix of Windows 7 and 10, no issues with Windows Update at any of them. Perhaps there was another underlying issue?


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Re: Firewall, Box or Software? [Re: SHOZ] #4580706
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Yeah I was a hardcore user of ESET on all our PC's in the family and I had this issue with mine and then it started happening with my FIL's computer. I drove myself nuts trying to figure out why certain PC's would all of a sudden not be able to see each other on the network or network shares like printers would stop connecting at random and every time a windows update would happen to do with some networking component ESET would cause an issue and would need to be uninstalled and reinstalled using their removal tool to fix the problem. Then my dentist office (I fix all his PC's in exchange for free work on my teeth). He started having the same issue. So seeing as my license and his were up and BitDefender was offering unlimited PC's for one price I bought a license for that. I like the BitDefender Central anyway... You can see the status off all your clients in their website and can force upgrades etc. from there. Not sure if ESET Endpoint offers that but it's a great feature for me managing multiple PC's.

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