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#4578700 - 11/19/17 08:44 AM Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes...
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Registered: 01/17/12
Posts: 117
Loc: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Up here in Canada our ford dealers are really pushing for a max of 5k miles (8000 kms) and recommending synthetic at that... they are going as far to say that warranty may not be honoured if you follow Fordís oil life monitor. This fear mongering from dealer reps is just nuts. They are scaring people to come in every 6 months minimum or you will lose your warranty (oh the horror). They are publicly saying on Facebook forums that all oil is worn out by 5k miles and must be changed. It canít possibly last any longer. And following the oil life monitor will surely damage the engine.

Didnít ford send a letter out to dealers telling them to stop this nonsense? Anyone have a link to it?

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#4578716 - 11/19/17 08:59 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
sir1900 Offline


Registered: 03/12/09
Posts: 1589
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan
If you think thatís bad, you should see what some local dealers do to push that $50 oil change into a $300 oil change. Itís all in the name of ďpreventative maintenanceĒ.
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#4578723 - 11/19/17 09:08 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
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Registered: 01/17/03
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Loc: Coastal South Carolina
some vetenarians still give one year rabies shots, even tho 3 year shots exist and are legal. they get you in to sell other stuff.
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#4578738 - 11/19/17 09:18 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
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Registered: 01/17/12
Posts: 117
Loc: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Funny thing is that if you buy a maintenance package when you buy your vehicle they include services every 8k kms/6 months. You pay quite dearly for that. But they use it as gospel saying that you have to do that to keep your warranty. They also push that because we are in Canada you have to follow this because we are severe duty automatically. And the oil life monitor doesnít factor that in.... right... they seem to have a lot of people brain washed with this garbage though.

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#4578751 - 11/19/17 09:27 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
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Registered: 03/04/17
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This is why Bitogers advocate changing your own oil. The job will be done right. You will know exactly what oil is in the engine and what filter is on the engine. The dealers / stealers are just out for money. You on the other hand can keep an eye on things yourself. There is a lot of pride attained by maintaining your car. For the dealer, itís another possible gotcha.

Not all dealers are bad, but many are and unfortunately perception rules.
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#4578766 - 11/19/17 09:38 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 4047
Loc: The Garden State
My wife's Ford dealer where she got her 2017 EcoBoost Explorer "recommends" 5,000 mile oil changes. They use non Ford conventional oil and not even Motorcraft Synthetic Blend for their $90 oil change. They charge additional if you want Motorcraft oil crzy! Having a DI & Turbo engine and using conventional oil with using the iOLM seems a "bit dicey" for engine longevity, though as long as the conventional oil meets the Ford spec. Ford says to follow the iOLM. If the proper Ford oil spec is used and the iOLM is followed I don't believe the dealer can void the warranty without Ford agreeing to do so.

PS. We don't get the oil changes done there, I do them myself with Mobil 1 5W-30 grin.

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#4578767 - 11/19/17 09:38 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
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Registered: 11/19/11
Posts: 884
Loc: Lyndhurst NJ
Seems Illegal to me, Id print out the owners manual on oil changes and see what that says. Also, if theyre candian sold cars, wouldnt they be programmed for that oil life? Theres a few differences in the instrument cluster, mainly km to miles, so a simple adjustment to that program would fix it. If Ford is selling it that way up there, its on them to correct the info.
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#4578768 - 11/19/17 09:39 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
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Registered: 04/16/15
Posts: 331
Loc: Kelowna, BC, Canada
Interesting, my wife bought a new Ford Explore this spring and now coming up 10,000 kms on the factory oil and the olm says 30% left.:) No calls or letters from local Ford dealer to bring it in, I guess it all depends on the dealer.

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#4578770 - 11/19/17 09:39 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
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Registered: 10/03/08
Posts: 4053
Loc: Kuwait
Considering your average driver does not check their oil anywhere near as regularly as they should (every second fill up perhaps), I can understand why they might be pushing 8,000 km oil changes. I'm not saying I support it, and while your oil is perhaps far from being "worn" by that milestone, your average Joe doesn't check his oil, doesn't check his tire pressures, etc. and when a warning light comes on, they wait until it is "convenient" to go get it checked out - convenient translating to a major disaster like engine oil starvation. Perhaps more a game of saving their backsides more than making money.
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#4578775 - 11/19/17 09:41 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
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Registered: 04/16/15
Posts: 331
Loc: Kelowna, BC, Canada
P.S. Added 1/2 ltr of top up oil in the 10,000 kms.

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#4578836 - 11/19/17 10:35 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
StevieC Offline


Registered: 08/21/08
Posts: 17116
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: advocate
Up here in Canada our ford dealers are really pushing for a max of 5k miles (8000 kms) and recommending synthetic at that... they are going as far to say that warranty may not be honoured if you follow Fordís oil life monitor. This fear mongering from dealer reps is just nuts. They are scaring people to come in every 6 months minimum or you will lose your warranty (oh the horror). They are publicly saying on Facebook forums that all oil is worn out by 5k miles and must be changed. It canít possibly last any longer. And following the oil life monitor will surely damage the engine.

Didnít ford send a letter out to dealers telling them to stop this nonsense? Anyone have a link to it?


Most people are stupid and just go with what the dealer says. If there isn't a TSB about the oil life monitor being incorrect and the correct grade/spec oil is being used there is nothing they can do about it.

I to get letters from my Chrysler dealer all the time about changing my oil at 3K miles (5,000km) to keep the warranty intact meanwhile it has an OLM. I have had it in for warranty work / recalls and not a word was said about it.


Edited by StevieC (11/19/17 10:40 AM)
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#4578844 - 11/19/17 10:42 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
gabriel9766 Offline


Registered: 05/10/15
Posts: 936
Loc: Missouri
My ford dealer here in MO where i work we put 5K oil stickers on cars and reset the oil lights. 90% of people do follow the stickers and some do follow the IOLM. We have motorcraft syn blend in bulk in 5w20, 5w30, and we have motorcraft 0w20 in 55 gallon drums. Diesel oil is also in bulk. All of out synthetic oil is in quart bottles in parts.
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#4578870 - 11/19/17 11:09 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: StevieC]
A310 Offline


Registered: 04/16/15
Posts: 331
Loc: Kelowna, BC, Canada
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: advocate
Up here in Canada our ford dealers are really pushing for a max of 5k miles (8000 kms) and recommending synthetic at that... they are going as far to say that warranty may not be honoured if you follow Fordís oil life monitor. This fear mongering from dealer reps is just nuts. They are scaring people to come in every 6 months minimum or you will lose your warranty (oh the horror). They are publicly saying on Facebook forums that all oil is worn out by 5k miles and must be changed. It canít possibly last any longer. And following the oil life monitor will surely damage the engine.

Didnít ford send a letter out to dealers telling them to stop this nonsense? Anyone have a link to it?


Most people are stupid and just go with what the dealer says. If there isn't a TSB about the oil life monitor being incorrect and the correct grade/spec oil is being used there is nothing they can do about it.

I to get letters from my Chrysler dealer all the time about changing my oil at 3K miles (5,000km) to keep the warranty intact meanwhile it has an OLM. I have had it in for warranty work / recalls and not a word was said about it.



Do you change your own oil and if so did they bring that up?

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#4578885 - 11/19/17 11:27 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
advocate Offline


Registered: 01/17/12
Posts: 117
Loc: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
I change my own oil and use the oil life monitor getting it as close to 0% as I can. I suppose Iíve voided my warranty at this point... guess Iíll have to come down to the states if I need any warranty work done haha. I donít bring my own truck to the dealer for anything if possible. All of the minions who believe the dealer blind side figure that my truck is doomed and it will catastrophically fail and not be covered. They are all brainwashed.

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#4578897 - 11/19/17 11:47 AM Re: Local dealers still pushing 5k max oil changes... [Re: advocate]
OneEyeJack Offline


Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 7479
Loc: S California
The shorter than factory recommended oil change interval is the service writer's chance to take a shot at more business.

If it's not a logistics problem you might consider shopping around and try to figure out if there's another dealer that you'd trust with your service.

If they mess with you on something as simple as an oil change, imagine what they'd do with anything a bit more involved.

This might also be the time to find an independent shop with the right certs and equipment to do your service work. Where I live there are several and I have one that gets all my business for things I don't do at home.

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