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seizing tecumseh hs50?????? #4578078
11/18/17 02:15 PM
11/18/17 02:15 PM
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Sweden
lars11 Offline OP
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thought I had it all figured out about ope. until today. My snowblower tecumseh seizes after a minute or two regardless of power. It seizes and can be turned free with a wrech, then starts just fine again...

So, did the oil vaporize during summer? No, full.
Bad oil? Changed it to new synth 0w30.
Dirt in the cooling fins? Took starter cover off and checked, nothing.

What the h--l is happening? Anyone? Ideas?
Can the lubrication break in some way I don't understand?

Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4578116
11/18/17 03:18 PM
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Possibly the oil dipper on the connecting rod broke off. I have seen it happen if it is a stamped steel one. If is an aluminum bore engine it could be that the chrome plating on the piston wore off and the piston is sticking to the cylinder, but that usually happens when you shut off the engine. No way to check either without taking the engine apart.


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Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4578118
11/18/17 03:21 PM
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that thing have an auger brake?
dragging a a bit heats up and drags it down?

Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4578161
11/18/17 04:48 PM
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Or, it could be the wrong mixture - lean ...


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Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4578193
11/18/17 05:39 PM
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Seizes or shuts off ? Usually when an engine seizes, it don't turn freely afterwards.

Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: old1] #4578354
11/18/17 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: old1
Possibly the oil dipper on the connecting rod broke off. I have seen it happen if it is a stamped steel one. If is an aluminum bore engine it could be that the chrome plating on the piston wore off and the piston is sticking to the cylinder, but that usually happens when you shut off the engine. No way to check either without taking the engine apart.


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Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4578787
11/19/17 09:49 AM
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lars11 Offline OP
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Thx, that was it! Broken off slinger, see pic. Now lets see if I completely ruined it.... frown

Last edited by lars11; 11/19/17 09:59 AM.
Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4578805
11/19/17 10:09 AM
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dump the synthetic oil, replace the dipper and see if it runs good enough to use. dont over engineer it or worry about every little imperfection you see. its a snowblower. ive seen small engines that were hurt bad and cylinders scratched, metal in oil run for years after they were deemed no good by someone else. run some 5w30 conventional- the oil it was recommended to run in it the day it was new by the engineers that built it. ii would ck the plastic governor gear as they are prone for failure in those engines.


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Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4578932
11/19/17 12:35 PM
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Ok, I found the other half of the dipper too. Two questions:
1- You think I could weld them together maybe usin a washer underneath? (Hard to find part with short notice...)
2- What bolt on the rod is it supposed to be attached to? And what orientation? Anyone got a pic?

Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4578994
11/19/17 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: lars11
Thx, that was it! Broken off slinger, see pic.


Apparently, "seizing" was the correct word after all. shocked2

Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4579605
11/19/17 10:43 PM
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You could probably weld it with a washer, if you are an excellent welder, but they aren't very expensive, and shouldn't take too long to get. And it goes on the lower bolt.


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Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4579980
11/20/17 11:08 AM
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I'd get a replacement oil dipper. You don't want it to come apart again at the wrong time.


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Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: jeepman3071] #4580689
11/21/17 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
I'd get a replacement oil dipper. You don't want it to come apart again at the wrong time.

+1

Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4581349
11/21/17 07:35 PM
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I'm surprised it didn't throw the rod since it wasn't getting oiled properly.

Last edited by xxch4osxx; 11/21/17 07:35 PM.

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Re: seizing tecumseh hs50?????? [Re: lars11] #4581668
11/22/17 07:35 AM
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You might want to pull the con-rod cap off and polish the crank journal to ensure it's OK.

I have no problem fabricating my own parts. Sometimes they can be engineered NOT to fail like the OEM part.

And remember that thick oil will place additional load on that part. I suggest a quality synthetic.


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