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#4577311 - 11/17/17 05:32 PM What did I miss, and when did I miss it ???
HouseTiger Offline


Registered: 04/16/17
Posts: 191
Loc: Georgia, USA
It seems that as of about a year or do back that Fram and the Orange Can Of Death were considered marginally improved over a roll of paper towels stuffed in a bean can.

Purolator became Tearolator (although I have not personally encountered a torn Purolator filter), and now that Purolator and Wix are now under the same ownership, it seems that Fram is now the golden child.

I can't really envision Mann & Hummel allowing either Purolator or Wix to go tumbling into the abyss of quality . . . but then again, Sears parted company with Whirlpool after a century, and sold off Craftsman, so anything is possible.

What happened, when, and what did I miss ????

Thanx in advance.

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#4577315 - 11/17/17 05:34 PM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 12653
Loc: NE,Ohio
fram was always good to very good (except)fram orange can of death.
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#4577319 - 11/17/17 05:39 PM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
MrQuackers Offline


Registered: 08/17/12
Posts: 2177
Loc: Oregon
Never ever seen a OCOD with torn media.
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#4577323 - 11/17/17 05:47 PM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
Panzerman Offline


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 4203
Loc: Port Orange, Florida
Just the Golden Fram is the only Golden child. Although I have on occasion used the TG, no Orange cans. I ll use a Chinese filter before that.
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#4577330 - 11/17/17 05:54 PM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
WellOiled Offline


Registered: 10/03/15
Posts: 1358
Loc: Houston, Texas
I have probably run 100 to 200 OCOD over the years and have never had an issue with them. Fram offers a filter for just about everyone's need or circumstance. I have seen good and bad Purolator made product. Some of Purolator designs are good while some of them are not so good.
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#4577345 - 11/17/17 06:20 PM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
Reddy45 Offline


Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 2973
Loc: USA
Fram was never bad. It just happens to outsell pretty much every other brand by at least 10:1 so the reporting of issues was greater as a result. Manufacturing defects can happen in any plant, engineers have bad days, specs get misquoted.

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#4577355 - 11/17/17 06:39 PM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
MParr Offline


Registered: 10/28/17
Posts: 515
Loc: Georgia
I stopped using Fram oil filters 25 or so years ago. At that time, I owned a ‘91 Ford Ranger 3.0 V6. I installed a Fram filter and the oil pressure went nutty. You could watch the pressure gauge fluctuate up and down at idle speed. The next oil change, I went to an FL-400s. Problem solved! Only NAPA Gold or Motorcraft went on that truck from then on. Lesson learned, I haven’t bought Fram oil filter since and never will.
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#4577361 - 11/17/17 06:46 PM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 9420
Loc: Upper Midwest
Originally Posted By: HouseTiger
It seems that as of about a year or do back that Fram and the Orange Can Of Death were considered marginally improved over a roll of paper towels stuffed in a bean can.

So who were you during most of that year or two? You joined in April of this year, what was your screen name before you became "HouseTiger"?

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#4577373 - 11/17/17 06:53 PM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
nthach Offline


Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 3909
Loc: California
I used to bash the OCOD, but if Honda and Subaru trust Fram to supply their service filters(Detroit Diesel supposedly uses Fram as well, but now that their new engines are basically Mercedes heavy-duty engines built in America they might as well use Mann or Mahle), that's good enough for me.

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#4577445 - 11/17/17 07:50 PM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: MrQuackers]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6178
Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: MrQuackers
Never ever seen a OCOD with torn media.


I most CERTAINLY have... several times! - - but it's been a few years
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#4577490 - 11/17/17 08:21 PM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: Linctex]
WellOiled Offline


Registered: 10/03/15
Posts: 1358
Loc: Houston, Texas
Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: MrQuackers
Never ever seen a OCOD with torn media.


I most CERTAINLY have... several times! - - but it's been a few years

So were these filters abused or were they run on sane intervals like MrQuackers runs?
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#4577566 - 11/17/17 09:28 PM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
Rock_Hudstone Offline


Registered: 11/13/07
Posts: 1449
Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: HouseTiger
I, Sears parted company with Whirlpool after a century,

Not exactly.

Whirlpool will still produce many of the Sears Kenmore branded appliance as always.

Sears just won't be selling Whirlpool branded appliances in their stores.

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#4577649 - 11/18/17 12:08 AM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
Nick1994 Offline


Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 10135
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
We've been bashing Tearolators for a couple years now
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#4577703 - 11/18/17 02:17 AM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
dwendt44 Offline


Registered: 05/17/06
Posts: 3972
Loc: Central Wisconsin
Fram up graded the quality of the Orange cans
over the last couple of years. They've even added
silicon ADBV on some orange filters.

The gold can is the filter standard these days.


My 2˘
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#4577783 - 11/18/17 07:24 AM Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10058
Loc: Indiana
Sears going down the tubes vs. Mann+Hummel buying Purolator are not comparable. Sears ran on an ancient business model and did not keep up with the times. I don't think M+H buying Purolator had anything to do with their decrease in quality. If it did, we would see WIX filters starting to suck.

Genuine Mann filters (not to be confused with a re-badged Purolator Classic) are some of the best you can get. Well above WIX and Fram.
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