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What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? #4577311
11/17/17 05:32 PM
11/17/17 05:32 PM
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Georgia, USA
HouseTiger Offline OP
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It seems that as of about a year or do back that Fram and the Orange Can Of Death were considered marginally improved over a roll of paper towels stuffed in a bean can.

Purolator became Tearolator (although I have not personally encountered a torn Purolator filter), and now that Purolator and Wix are now under the same ownership, it seems that Fram is now the golden child.

I can't really envision Mann & Hummel allowing either Purolator or Wix to go tumbling into the abyss of quality . . . but then again, Sears parted company with Whirlpool after a century, and sold off Craftsman, so anything is possible.

What happened, when, and what did I miss ????

Thanx in advance.

Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577315
11/17/17 05:34 PM
11/17/17 05:34 PM
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fram was always good to very good (except)fram orange can of death.


2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk 2.0T
Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577319
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Never ever seen a OCOD with torn media.


Master the 1000 yard stare

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Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577323
11/17/17 05:47 PM
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Port Orange, Florida
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Just the Golden Fram is the only Golden child. Although I have on occasion used the TG, no Orange cans. I ll use a Chinese filter before that.



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Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577330
11/17/17 05:54 PM
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I have probably run 100 to 200 OCOD over the years and have never had an issue with them. Fram offers a filter for just about everyone's need or circumstance. I have seen good and bad Purolator made product. Some of Purolator designs are good while some of them are not so good.


2004 Ford Ranger 4.0L V6
Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577345
11/17/17 06:20 PM
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
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Fram was never bad. It just happens to outsell pretty much every other brand by at least 10:1 so the reporting of issues was greater as a result. Manufacturing defects can happen in any plant, engineers have bad days, specs get misquoted.

Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577355
11/17/17 06:39 PM
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I stopped using Fram oil filters 25 or so years ago. At that time, I owned a ‘91 Ford Ranger 3.0 V6. I installed a Fram filter and the oil pressure went nutty. You could watch the pressure gauge fluctuate up and down at idle speed. The next oil change, I went to an FL-400s. Problem solved! Only NAPA Gold or Motorcraft went on that truck from then on. Lesson learned, I haven’t bought Fram oil filter since and never will.


2013 KIA Optima EX 2.4L. Now: QSUD 5W30 & STP S2808ML
2017 Ford Escape SE 2.0T Now: Mobil 1 5W30 & NAPA Gold 1348
Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577361
11/17/17 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: HouseTiger
It seems that as of about a year or do back that Fram and the Orange Can Of Death were considered marginally improved over a roll of paper towels stuffed in a bean can.

So who were you during most of that year or two? You joined in April of this year, what was your screen name before you became "HouseTiger"?



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Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577373
11/17/17 06:53 PM
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I used to bash the OCOD, but if Honda and Subaru trust Fram to supply their service filters(Detroit Diesel supposedly uses Fram as well, but now that their new engines are basically Mercedes heavy-duty engines built in America they might as well use Mann or Mahle), that's good enough for me.

Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: MrQuackers] #4577445
11/17/17 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: MrQuackers
Never ever seen a OCOD with torn media.


I most CERTAINLY have... several times! - - but it's been a few years


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: Linctex] #4577490
11/17/17 08:21 PM
11/17/17 08:21 PM
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Houston, Texas
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: MrQuackers
Never ever seen a OCOD with torn media.


I most CERTAINLY have... several times! - - but it's been a few years

So were these filters abused or were they run on sane intervals like MrQuackers runs?


2004 Ford Ranger 4.0L V6
Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577566
11/17/17 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: HouseTiger
I, Sears parted company with Whirlpool after a century,

Not exactly.

Whirlpool will still produce many of the Sears Kenmore branded appliance as always.

Sears just won't be selling Whirlpool branded appliances in their stores.

Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577649
11/18/17 12:08 AM
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We've been bashing Tearolators for a couple years now


2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L 88k Motorcraft Synthetic Blend 5w30 & OEM
2000 Toyota Camry 2.2L 231k Valvoline 5w30 & Fram Ultra
1996 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L 147k Mobil 1 HM 10w40 & Fram Ultra
Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577703
11/18/17 02:17 AM
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Fram up graded the quality of the Orange cans
over the last couple of years. They've even added
silicon ADBV on some orange filters.

The gold can is the filter standard these days.


My 2˘


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Too big of a battery,
Too large of a gas tank,
or too loud of a horn,
or too bright headlights.
Re: What did I miss, and when did I miss it ??? [Re: HouseTiger] #4577783
11/18/17 07:24 AM
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Sears going down the tubes vs. Mann+Hummel buying Purolator are not comparable. Sears ran on an ancient business model and did not keep up with the times. I don't think M+H buying Purolator had anything to do with their decrease in quality. If it did, we would see WIX filters starting to suck.

Genuine Mann filters (not to be confused with a re-badged Purolator Classic) are some of the best you can get. Well above WIX and Fram.


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 202k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 186k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 153k Synpower 5w30 Supertech ST3980 (Ecore)

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