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#4577003 - 11/17/17 11:01 AM It'll do 130 mph in third gear
Yah-Tah-Hey Offline


Registered: 05/26/14
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Loc: Columbus,Nebraska
Neighbor across the street just backed his souped up 97 Camaro out of garage for first time in about a year. He told me when we first moved here that the car has 28,000 miles on it and the original tires.He special ordered the vehicle with the biggest engine GM offered that year. Now he is out in Nebraska hinterland blowing the carbon out of it. Says interstate traffic is too slow for the car's gear ratios. I'm waiting to see if he returns or a sheriff's deputy shows up across the street to notify his widow.

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#4577011 - 11/17/17 11:08 AM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey]
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When people like that talk I just nod and walk away. Seems like all the car shows and car gatherings are full of people like that, which is why I don't go anymore.
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#4577020 - 11/17/17 11:17 AM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey]
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Registered: 09/23/15
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I find the 130 mph claim in 3rd gear to be hard to believe. My 1999 Camaro SS M6 maxes out at 103 mph in 3rd gear with a 3.42 ratio. If the guy owns an A4 then the lower 3.23 factory gear ratio would boost that up to around 109 mph. Not sure how 3rd in the automatic vs 3rd in the manual compare, but they shouldn't be 20% different. And if this guy really has a built car, he more than likely has a stiffer rear ratio than 3.42. If for some reason he has a built engine with a "Bonneville Salt Flats" rear end ratio (3.00 or lower) then he is certainly one of very few who would go in that direction. How long can you drive steadily at 130 mph before it gets "old" or you run out of room, or run into a Trooper?

1999 Camaro data

Original tires? If they are, then they are very close to being totally tread-free. I ditched my original factory tires 2 years ago with 15K miles and they had about 30-40% tread life left...on a car that has been driven very easily with essentially no burnouts or races. Most original tires on these cars wear out in the 15K-25K range depending on driving style. Driving 130 mph on 20 year old factory tires with 28K miles....now that's insane.

The only optioned "factory" engine above a V6 in 1997 was the regular old 5.7L V8 LT1 with a rated 275 hp. I'm not aware of any factory engine you could get over that in an ordered Camaro. Any thing stronger had to come from SLP in an SS alteration package....which was just intake/exhaust mods. I think the Firehawks of that year could have been as high as 300-330 hp.

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#4577025 - 11/17/17 11:27 AM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey]
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Registered: 09/23/15
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Loc: Connecticut
1997 LT4 SS Camaro

OK. You could have been of 106 people in the world to order the 1997 SS LT4 Camaro rated at 330 hp....the Grand Sport Vette engine. That was a $17,000 option on top of the regular $22K+ Z28 price...around $50K all in. The regular LT1 SS SLP option was rated at 305-310 hp with upgraded intake/exhaust. That rating on the LT4 is not that impressive considering my bone stock '99 LS1 SS with some SLP options came rated at 327 hp...at around $30K. And I was the 2nd owner at 12K miles for a $12K price tag.
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#4577026 - 11/17/17 11:27 AM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: 69GTX]
Yah-Tah-Hey Offline


Registered: 05/26/14
Posts: 3482
Loc: Columbus,Nebraska
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
I find the 130 mph claim in 3rd gear to be hard to believe. My 1999 Camaro SS M6 maxes out at 103 mph in 3rd gear with a 3.42 ratio. If the guy owns an A4 then the lower 3.23 factory gear ratio would boost that up to around 109 mph. Not sure how 3rd in the automatic vs 3rd in the manual compare, but they shouldn't be 20% different. And if this guy really has a built car, he more than likely has a stiffer rear ratio than 3.42. If for some reason he has a built engine with a "Bonneville Salt Flats" rear end ratio (3.00 or lower) then he is certainly one of very few who would go in that direction. How long can you drive steadily at 130 mph before it gets "old" or you run out of room, or run into a Trooper?

1999 Camaro data

Original tires? If they are, then they are very close to being totally tread-free. I ditched my original factory tires 2 years ago with 15K miles and they had about 30-40% tread life left...on a car that has been driven very easily with essentially no burnouts or races. Most original tires on these cars wear out in the 15K-25K range depending on driving style. Driving 130 mph on 20 year old factory tires....now that's insane.

The only optioned engine above a V6 in 1997 was the regular old 5.7L V8 LT1 with a rated 275 hp. I'm not aware of any factory engine you could get over that in an ordered Camaro. Any thing stronger had to come from SLP in an SS alteration package....which was just intake/exhaust mods. I think the Firehawks of that year could have been as high as 300-330 hp....though I'm not sure of the Camaro SS's. I'll take your word for it sir. I'm not going to find out what it will do period. Thanks



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#4577031 - 11/17/17 11:29 AM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: 69GTX]
bdcardinal Offline


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Originally Posted By: 69GTX
1997 LT4 SS Camaro

OK. You could have been of 106 people in the world to order the 1997 SS LT4 Camaro rated at 330 hp....that engine went into the Grand Sport Vette. That was a $17,000 option on top of the regular $22K Z28 price...around $50K all in. The regular LT1 SS option was rated at 300-310 hp with upgraded intake/exhaust. That rating on the LT4 is not that impressive considering my '99 LS1 with some SLP options came rated at 327 hp...at around $30K.


And it still will chuck the Optispark and leave you stranded on the side of the road just like the regular POS LT1s.
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#4577038 - 11/17/17 11:39 AM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: bdcardinal]
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Registered: 09/23/15
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Loc: Connecticut
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
And it still will chuck the Optispark and leave you stranded on the side of the road just like the regular POS LT1s.


Not always.

I owned a pair of LT1's...a 1993 TA with 55K miles and a 1995 TA with 75K miles. Never had a problem with an Optispark. I bought both cars used at 22K and 42K miles. No engine/trans/drive train issue the entire time. On both cars I did try to avoid nasty weather like rain and snow since they handled somewhat poorly in those conditions. But, both cars saw a little of it. Those were both great cars without problems. The 93 TA's biggest "issue" was a mouse that got into the engine bay and nibbled on some wires. Maybe if I had driven those cars to 100K miles and 10 yrs old the Opti-spark may have bit me.
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#4577041 - 11/17/17 11:46 AM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey]
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Registered: 05/14/12
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Loc: Winchester, Indiana
My brother's 2000 Camaro will do around 139 in the 1/4 in 3rd gear.... but it's got a built 404-cube LS3, 200 shot, at 6800 rpm and it's a Turbo 400 on a 29" tire. I smell something funny in that guys's claim...

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#4577043 - 11/17/17 11:48 AM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey]
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Registered: 09/20/16
Posts: 153
Loc: MN
haha wow, a lot of haters in here. The guy does sound like to stereotypical know-nothing talk-a-bunch

But if this guy has an automatic, 3rd gear is 1:1

With 2.73's in the rear 130 mph is achieved at 4,791 RPM
with 3.23's in the rear 130 mph is achieved at 5,668 RPM

Either of which a bone stock LT1 will easily do all day.


Edited by Tman220 (11/17/17 11:53 AM)
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#4577045 - 11/17/17 11:48 AM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey]
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Registered: 11/11/08
Posts: 941
Loc: Las Vegas
The "biggest" engine in an F-body that year (actually the most "factory" horsepower, if you include SLP mods as factory, since the displacement is the same) was in a very limited number of Chevrolet Camaro 30th Anniversary SS LT4 cars. SLP put left over LT4 engines from the 1996 Corvette Grand Sport production run into 100 SS Camaros. SLP did blueprint those engines, and raised the redline to 6300 RPM which would account for a bit of an increase in 3rd gear top speed, but not that much.

If he has the 30th Anniversary SS LT4 car, he does have a unicorn. I suspect he has a basic Z28, or possibly a B4C Special Service Coupe (Police Package), with, as 69GTX mentioned, an LT1. I agree with 69GTX that it would be nuts to take that car to triple digit speeds with original tires.

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#4577046 - 11/17/17 11:50 AM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey]
jaj Offline


Registered: 08/21/03
Posts: 1060
Loc: Vancouver, Canada
Regardless of anything else, I wouldn't go 100MPH, much less any faster, on 19 year old tires.

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#4577050 - 11/17/17 11:58 AM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey]
Yah-Tah-Hey Offline


Registered: 05/26/14
Posts: 3482
Loc: Columbus,Nebraska
He made it home. What is the Optispark? Camaro going back in garage for another year. 41 Chevy i6 OHV will be back in driveway. Nice to hear an old Blue Flame six rattling again.

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#4577058 - 11/17/17 12:07 PM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey]
ArrestMeRedZ Offline


Registered: 11/11/08
Posts: 941
Loc: Las Vegas
Optispark is the distributor replacement. It was moved from the back of the engine in the SBC to the front with the LT1. Leaks from the water pump tended to destroy it.

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#4577070 - 11/17/17 12:28 PM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey]
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Registered: 09/25/04
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Loc: Marshfield , MA
The numbers tossed around here. 103 in 3rd with a 3.42 is very close to 5k RPM in 3 doing an indicated 105 MPH on a 3.46 diff with an engine rated for 128 hp. Nothing like driving as slow car fast grin2
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#4577079 - 11/17/17 12:39 PM Re: It'll do 130 mph in third gear [Re: jaj]
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Originally Posted By: jaj
Regardless of anything else, I wouldn't go 100MPH, much less any faster, on 19 year old tires.


OMG yes. That thing's a menace.
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