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Long life oil filters/change out time? #4575724
11/16/17 07:30 AM
11/16/17 07:30 AM
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irv Offline OP
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I have read a bit on here about these and I am currently using one in my wife's Impala. Fram Ultra Guard synthetic.

My questions are, I have read where people will leave these on for 2+ oil changes and that got me thinking, why would one leave on the dirty oil filter when doing an oil change, or do you remove it and drain as much of the dirty oil first as you can before you put it back on?

Also, with these types of filters supposedly lasting as long as they do, I assume they clean much better than just an average run of the mill filter, but if they do, then will they not clog and/or reduce oil flow/pressure eventually as well?

I purchased my Fram just last week and it was based on me thinking this is likely a great filter based on what I read here and on the box. When I purchased it, I had, and still don't, have any intentions of leaving it on for 2+ oil changes even though I'll likely not be anywhere near the mileage this filter is good for.
I simply purchased it thinking/knowing this is a good/great filter and I want the best for our new car.

On the other end of the spectrum, I have read where someone said why are you spending that kind of money on a great filter if you are changing it out so soon and not reaping it's full benefits? Like I mentioned, my thinking is, why purchase an inferior filter, one that is not going to filter as well, if others are out there, albeit, more expensive, that filter much better?

These are just questions and maybe there are reasonable/proven explanations so go easy on me as I just likely/simply don't understand the rational behind these?


2017 Chevy Impala 3.6 L.
2013 Ram 5.7 L Hemi Bighorn QC 4x4
2008 Chevy Malibu 2.4 L Ecotec
Pennzoil Platinum and/or Pennzoil Ultra Platinum in all 3.
Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: irv] #4575738
11/16/17 08:07 AM
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Well from what Iíve read itís that some filters last longer but filter the same as a cheaper filter. For instance a Fram TG is a great filter for 5k OCI. Just like synthetic oil, it last longer but there are high quality conventional oils that will perform great for a shorter time.

Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: irv] #4575739
11/16/17 08:13 AM
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I use long life Amsoil filters rated for 15,000 miles (EAK) because their EAO (25,000 mile) filter is not made for my vehicle. I leave it on there for 2 oil changes. It cuts the cost of replacing the filter in 1/2 and doesn't make a difference to the engine or my UOA's but does make a difference on my wallet. I have been doing this for over a decade now and have racked up tons and tons of trouble free miles. wink

Last edited by StevieC; 11/16/17 08:14 AM.

'18 Caravan - 30k KM - AMSOIL SS 0w20, Fram Ultra, TC-W3 500:1
'06 Santa Fe - 535k KM (Retired)

There is no such thing as "lifetime" fluids! mad
Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: StevieC] #4575770
11/16/17 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
I use long life Amsoil filters rated for 15,000 miles (EAK) because their EAO (25,000 mile) filter is not made for my vehicle. I leave it on there for 2 oil changes. It cuts the cost of replacing the filter in 1/2 and doesn't make a difference to the engine or my UOA's but does make a difference on my wallet. I have been doing this for over a decade now and have racked up tons and tons of trouble free miles. wink


Amsoil filters likely aren't cheap, but I am curious if they still recommend, with their 25,000 mile oil change interval, "or one year, whichever comes first" on their bottles?
I would assume they would also recommend a filter change as well?

Regardless, if your UOA's are still coming back clean/good, then I don't blame you, but also, and it's just my opinion, for a few extra dollars a year, I still don't see the point of not changing it out? Maybe I am too anal or old school but I think I would cringe knowing my filter is going on year 2 and I just did a oil change with fresh oil. shocked


2017 Chevy Impala 3.6 L.
2013 Ram 5.7 L Hemi Bighorn QC 4x4
2008 Chevy Malibu 2.4 L Ecotec
Pennzoil Platinum and/or Pennzoil Ultra Platinum in all 3.
Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: irv] #4575783
11/16/17 09:14 AM
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I've switched to the Fram Ultras on my Hyundais and currently run they two oil changes to the filter. The Accent goes 15k miles (7500 miles OCI)on the filter, the Genesis Coupe goes about 10k miles (5k mile OCI).

I do not take them off to drain as there is so little oil in them. There is at least a half quart of oil trapped in the engine anyway that never gets drained out completely.


2008 Hyundai Accent 1.6L 5 sp manual hatchback
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track 2L Turbo 6sp manual
Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: irv] #4575805
11/16/17 09:37 AM
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Personally I use the Fram Ultra for two shorter change intervals. My Ridgeline is easy to change the filter, but it only gets driven less than 5,000 miles a year. So I've been using full synthetic with annual oil changes and using the Ultra for two years.

Our M35 is a PITA to change due to 20 bolts on the splash shield that needs to be removed for easy access. The engine likes 4,500 mile oil changes, so with a Fumoto valve that I reach through a small access panel, I leave the filter on for two intervals using a synthetic blend. It saves me time and money.

As usual, it's just a matter of personal preference.


2017 Honda Odyssey SE, 19K
2013 Honda Accord LX, 60K
2007 Honda Ridgeline RTS, 89K
2007 Infiniti M35, 107K
Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: StevieC] #4575925
11/16/17 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
I use long life Amsoil filters rated for 15,000 miles (EAK) because their EAO (25,000 mile) filter is not made for my vehicle. I leave it on there for 2 oil changes. It cuts the cost of replacing the filter in 1/2 and doesn't make a difference to the engine or my UOA's but does make a difference on my wallet. I have been doing this for over a decade now and have racked up tons and tons of trouble free miles. wink


My current Purolator One costs me roughly .001158 cents a mile on a 6k OCI. I can afford that and treat my motor well. wink

Last edited by JohnnyJohnson; 11/16/17 11:37 AM.

2004 Corolla 130785
Out: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 7156 Miles
In: Havoline Pro DS 10w-30 Purolator PureOne 3-14-19 129693
2006 Duramax 74725
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4576041
11/16/17 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
My current Purolator One costs me roughly .001158 cents a mile on a 6k OCI. I can afford that and treat my motor well. wink


That's $6.95 for a regular Puro 1. I paid $6 each for my Fram UG's (3 year stash). I change annually at under 8K miles. Maybe if I had a highway commuter car I'd push for 10K-15K range.

And the Puro may not make it to 6K miles without tearing. I won't use a Pure 1 for more than 4K miles.


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2001 Lincoln Cont 4.6L DOHC/ 39K mi / QS HM 5w30 / FUG XG2
1999 Camaro SS M6 /19K /Mobil 1 0w40 /Fram UG /GM MTL-ATF
1969 Ply GTX/RRs
Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: irv] #4576045
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I used to always drain the filter - I have would rotate them (swap one on that's been draining for months).

Now that my F150 holds 6 quarts, I don't take it off. I drain 5 quarts and fill 5 quarts. The oil still looks new.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: irv] #4576055
11/16/17 01:57 PM
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Before using a filter for a long time you might want to cut a used one open and see if there is a build up of debris in the bottom of the pleats. If there is noticeable debris in there at 5,000 miles you might not want to go 10,000.

Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: irv] #4576070
11/16/17 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: irv
I have read a bit on here about these and I am currently using one in my wife's Impala. Fram Ultra Guard synthetic.

My questions are, I have read where people will leave these on for 2+ oil changes and that got me thinking, why would one leave on the dirty oil filter when doing an oil change, or do you remove it and drain as much of the dirty oil first as you can before you put it back on?

Also, with these types of filters supposedly lasting as long as they do, I assume they clean much better than just an average run of the mill filter, but if they do, then will they not clog and/or reduce oil flow/pressure eventually as well?

I purchased my Fram just last week and it was based on me thinking this is likely a great filter based on what I read here and on the box. When I purchased it, I had, and still don't, have any intentions of leaving it on for 2+ oil changes even though I'll likely not be anywhere near the mileage this filter is good for.
I simply purchased it thinking/knowing this is a good/great filter and I want the best for our new car.

On the other end of the spectrum, I have read where someone said why are you spending that kind of money on a great filter if you are changing it out so soon and not reaping it's full benefits? Like I mentioned, my thinking is, why purchase an inferior filter, one that is not going to filter as well, if others are out there, albeit, more expensive, that filter much better?

These are just questions and maybe there are reasonable/proven explanations so go easy on me as I just likely/simply don't understand the rational behind these?

There's some cat on here that has a good phrase about using oil filters more than once for multiple oil changes.
How does it go; One Oil Change, One Oil Filter........or, something close to that. Smart guy.


A fox is a wolf who sends flowers!
Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: CajunNative] #4576098
11/16/17 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: CajunNative
Originally Posted By: irv
I have read a bit on here about these and I am currently using one in my wife's Impala. Fram Ultra Guard synthetic.

My questions are, I have read where people will leave these on for 2+ oil changes and that got me thinking, why would one leave on the dirty oil filter when doing an oil change, or do you remove it and drain as much of the dirty oil first as you can before you put it back on?

Also, with these types of filters supposedly lasting as long as they do, I assume they clean much better than just an average run of the mill filter, but if they do, then will they not clog and/or reduce oil flow/pressure eventually as well?

I purchased my Fram just last week and it was based on me thinking this is likely a great filter based on what I read here and on the box. When I purchased it, I had, and still don't, have any intentions of leaving it on for 2+ oil changes even though I'll likely not be anywhere near the mileage this filter is good for.
I simply purchased it thinking/knowing this is a good/great filter and I want the best for our new car.

On the other end of the spectrum, I have read where someone said why are you spending that kind of money on a great filter if you are changing it out so soon and not reaping it's full benefits? Like I mentioned, my thinking is, why purchase an inferior filter, one that is not going to filter as well, if others are out there, albeit, more expensive, that filter much better?

These are just questions and maybe there are reasonable/proven explanations so go easy on me as I just likely/simply don't understand the rational behind these?

There's some cat on here that has a good phrase about using oil filters more than once for multiple oil changes.
How does it go; One Oil Change, One Oil Filter........or, something close to that. Smart guy.



A Fram Ultra can easily go two oil changes on most vehicles. While his saying is "cute" it's not that smart.

Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: CajunNative] #4576142
11/16/17 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: CajunNative
There's some cat on here that has a good phrase about using oil filters more than once for multiple oil changes. How does it go; One Oil Change, One Oil Filter........or, something close to that. Smart guy.


Not sure I'd describe him as being smart. I do think he's funny, entertaining, amusing etc. Because of that I like him and get a charge out of his posts.

All your six posts sound similar to his. His username is no longer in the User List. I wonder if he re-incarnated himself under a new username with the same location after being banned? Prob not a good idea to reference yourself if that is the case. LOL

Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: irv] #4576146
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And some save their drained oil to use in the lawn mower..... hornets


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2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track 2L Turbo 6sp manual
Re: Long life oil filters/change out time? [Re: SHOZ] #4576178
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
And some save their drained oil to use in the lawn mower..... hornets


Or in their old 1971 Chevy C60 that uses oil anyway grin grin grin


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