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#4572576 - 11/13/17 09:37 AM Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly
SubLGT Offline


Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 2646
Loc: Idaho
Something new from Moog.

Quote:
New MOOG complete knuckle assemblies include all of the premium components – MOOG knuckle and backing plate with corrosion-resistant E-coat; MOOG wheel hub assembly; National® axle bearing; axle nut; and lock ring – needed for a complete repair. By relying on this comprehensive, bolt-on solution, service providers can save time and eliminate the need for special tools or a press, resulting in an easier installation.


http://www.moogparts.com/moognews/MOOG-Complete-Knuckle-Assemblies-Simplify-Bearing-Replacement.html

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#4572625 - 11/13/17 10:34 AM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: SubLGT]
Miller88 Offline


Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 12704
Loc: Onondaga County
Ha!

I always wondered why no one had done this.

Press in bearings are incredibly stupid when it comes to replacing them.

If I kept the focus, I intended on either buying a complete new knuckle and pressing in the bearing/hub and replacing the knuckle or getting a junkyard one with a good bearing.

Cheaper (and easier) than paying a shop or to struggle getting the press in bearing out.
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#4572654 - 11/13/17 11:02 AM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: Miller88]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 18909
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Ha!

I always wondered why no one had done this.

Press in bearings are incredibly stupid when it comes to replacing them.

If I kept the focus, I intended on either buying a complete new knuckle and pressing in the bearing/hub and replacing the knuckle or getting a junkyard one with a good bearing.

Cheaper (and easier) than paying a shop or to struggle getting the press in bearing out.


Its a 10-15 min job to press them. I certainly wouldn't buy a cheap Chinese knuckle with Made in China National bearing and hub to save a few min. OE brake shields are usually good for 10+ years the ones from China probably less than half that.
Thanks I'll pass.
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#4572700 - 11/13/17 11:31 AM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: SubLGT]
mcwilly Offline


Registered: 07/31/17
Posts: 98
Loc: Canada
I recently did the one bearing on my toyota echo. Everything was so corroded into place it took a couple hours to actually remove the knuckle. After that I dropped it off at a shop and paid 1 hour shop time ($120 CAD) to press out and press in a new bearing ($30CAD). I looked for a whole knuckle assembly, but there was none available. If I could have got one for sub $200 I would have done it in a heart beat. Would be able to skip the shop and just swap out knuckles.
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#4572739 - 11/13/17 11:56 AM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 02/18/11
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I like how it has the brake/dust shield installed.
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#4572797 - 11/13/17 12:38 PM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: SubLGT]
thrace Offline


Registered: 08/31/02
Posts: 407
Loc: USA
On last front bearing, chose Timken USA and had it pressed in. Could have bought made in China hub with bearing for less but until made in China bearing lasts as long as made in U.S.A., will avoid China made bearing.

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#4572980 - 11/13/17 03:48 PM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: thrace]
Miller88 Offline


Registered: 04/09/08
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Loc: Onondaga County
Originally Posted By: thrace
On last front bearing, chose Timken USA and had it pressed in. Could have bought made in China hub with bearing for less but until made in China bearing lasts as long as made in U.S.A., will avoid China made bearing.


Uhhh ... the last few sets of Timkens were made in China ...
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#4572981 - 11/13/17 03:48 PM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: LeakySeals]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 18909
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
I like how it has the brake/dust shield installed.


The shield on some are a simple 3/4 bolt on requiring only rotor removal but on some others its bolted on behind the hub, to change these the hub must be pressed out and with it the outer inner bearing race.

Of greater concern is to me anyway is the quality of the material used for the knuckle itself, this is such a critical part a failure is usually catastrophic. Never buy a used knuckle from a front end total if OE new is no longer available but if the car was just junked they tend to be fine, always check it out carefully even have it fluxed or dye checked if aluminum if anything at all looks suspicious.

Sorry, with Moog doing so much importing from third world countries and declining quality in many of their products this is one part I really don't want to use. If it was the old Moog 20-30 yrs ago I probably wouldn't have any reservations. JMHO.
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#4573004 - 11/13/17 04:23 PM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: SubLGT]
Audios Offline


Registered: 11/19/11
Posts: 889
Loc: Lyndhurst NJ
Moog is just the name now, I went through 2 tie rod ends on an ML500 within 6 months before I went to an OE brand. Both times failed in the same spot, and had tons of play. Id worry if these come along at a too good to be true price.
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#4573008 - 11/13/17 04:27 PM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: SubLGT]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10058
Loc: Indiana
No thanks.

Probably a hefty penny more than just the bearing too.

You get less for more!!!
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#4574695 - 11/15/17 08:54 AM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: Trav]
Miller88 Offline


Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 12704
Loc: Onondaga County
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Ha!

I always wondered why no one had done this.

Press in bearings are incredibly stupid when it comes to replacing them.

If I kept the focus, I intended on either buying a complete new knuckle and pressing in the bearing/hub and replacing the knuckle or getting a junkyard one with a good bearing.

Cheaper (and easier) than paying a shop or to struggle getting the press in bearing out.


Its a 10-15 min job to press them. I certainly wouldn't buy a cheap Chinese knuckle with Made in China National bearing and hub to save a few min. OE brake shields are usually good for 10+ years the ones from China probably less than half that.
Thanks I'll pass.


Not 10-15 minutes on something that's been run in the salt for the last 15 winters
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#4574735 - 11/15/17 09:28 AM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: SubLGT]
researcher Offline


Registered: 04/12/12
Posts: 257
Loc: Michigan
I had a bearing go bad on the front of the 96 civic. The knuckle was so far gone the bearing couldn't be pressed out without damage to the knuckle! In this case, just bought a new knuckle from Honda. Figured this one lasted 21 years.

But Moog's quality is really going down the drain, quickly! Let them learn the hard way that when they go cheap people will learn to stay away from them. regardless of the price. Only when their stock price is affected will they notice.

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#4574819 - 11/15/17 10:34 AM Re: Moog Complete Knuckle Assembly [Re: Miller88]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 18909
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Originally Posted By: Miller88

Not 10-15 minutes on something that's been run in the salt for the last 15 winters


I am talking actual press time once its off.
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