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US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) #4572280
11/12/17 10:14 PM
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Geoff Offline OP
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https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/gasoline-sulfur

Tier 3 Requirement.

So low- mid-SAPS oils less an issue here? (Is this old news?)

EU has 10ppm sulfur limit: http://www.transportpolicy.net/standard/eu-fuels-diesel-and-gasoline/

Last edited by Geoff; 11/12/17 10:18 PM.

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Re: US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) [Re: Geoff] #4572302
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I'd blotters of mid SaPS ACEA C3 oils at 6200 miles OCI with Euro II gasoline of 500 ppm sulfur indicating its efficacy as good as A3B4 .
I don't see any problem in States really.

Last edited by zeng; 11/12/17 10:51 PM.
Re: US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) [Re: Geoff] #4572303
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It all depended upon your OCI. I had tried low SAPS VW 504/507 oil with non-ULSG years ago, and found that it lowered TBN quick but not out of line with the car's already prescribed OCI.

Re: US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) [Re: Geoff] #4572404
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Re: US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) [Re: Geoff] #4572447
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Originally Posted By: Geoff
https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/gasoline-sulfur

Tier 3 Requirement.

So low- mid-SAPS oils less an issue here? (Is this old news?)

EU has 10ppm sulfur limit: http://www.transportpolicy.net/standard/eu-fuels-diesel-and-gasoline/

The devil is in the details. For now, the 10ppm figure is a federal annual average. Individual batches are still allowed to have up to 80-95ppm. So how can you tell how much sulfur there exactly is when you pull up to a pump?

http://www.transportpolicy.net/standard/us-fuels-diesel-and-gasoline/


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Re: US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) [Re: Quattro Pete] #4573277
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Geoff
https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/gasoline-sulfur

Tier 3 Requirement.

So low- mid-SAPS oils less an issue here? (Is this old news?)

EU has 10ppm sulfur limit: http://www.transportpolicy.net/standard/eu-fuels-diesel-and-gasoline/

The devil is in the details. For now, the 10ppm figure is a federal annual average. Individual batches are still allowed to have up to 80-95ppm. So how can you tell how much sulfur there exactly is when you pull up to a pump?

http://www.transportpolicy.net/standard/us-fuels-diesel-and-gasoline/
sniff exhaust of the vehicle that just filled up?


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Re: US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) [Re: Geoff] #4581020
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Canada is allowed 14 ppm for another 3 years. Batches like previously stated. 10 or so years ago it was 880 ppm here.

Re: US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) [Re: Geoff] #4581503
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Like QP said: devil is in the details. It is still allowed 80+ ppm.
Oil in my Tiguan still smells like sulfur, same like it did in Alabama in my CC. Only place where I could never smell sulfur in gas was in "liberal, god hating tax raising" California where they actually moved into 21st century.


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Re: US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) [Re: Geoff] #4581552
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Can the injectors and spark plugs read and differentiate the sulfur ppm and response appropriately ?
Is the numerical #'s over-hyped here ?

Last edited by zeng; 11/22/17 02:37 AM.
Re: US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) [Re: zeng] #4581553
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Originally Posted By: zeng
Can the injectors and spark plugs read and differentiate the sulfur ppm and response appropriately ?
Is the numerical #'s over-hyped here ?

Why would ECU be calibrated to recognize sulfur levels?


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Re: US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) [Re: edyvw] #4581555
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: zeng
Can the injectors and spark plugs read and differentiate the sulfur ppm and response appropriately ?
Is the numerical #'s over-hyped here ?

Why would ECU be calibrated to recognize sulfur levels?

.... and '5W20' embossed on the oil cap ?

Re: US Sulfur Levels at 10ppm in 2017 (Same as EU) [Re: zeng] #4581722
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Originally Posted By: zeng
Can the injectors and spark plugs read and differentiate the sulfur ppm and response appropriately ?
Is the numerical #'s over-hyped here ?

Not sure what injectors and spark plugs have to do with what is being discussed here.

Higher sulfur levels cause more rapid TBN depletion, which means you should not be running long OCIs with low/mid SAPS oils.


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