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Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI #4572232
11/12/17 08:02 PM
11/12/17 08:02 PM
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Illinois
BTLew81 Offline OP
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Currently running pennzoil euro 0w40 in my VW 1.8tsi. I'm really looking to get the lowest noack I can, and the lower the saps the better. Is there something better than the euro I'm using, in your opinion? I'd really like to try the Euro L, but it doesn't have the VW specs. Frustrating as I think it would fit the bill well.

Also have some valvoline mst in my stash, which has lower saps, but the noack isn't great...

Help appreciated.


2018 Honda Accord Sport 2.0T/10 Speed
Modern Steel Metallic/Black
Factory Fill/Filter
Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: BTLew81] #4572235
11/12/17 08:08 PM
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Great Lakes
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M1 esp 5w30 has low Noack and is low SAPS.


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: BTLew81] #4572253
11/12/17 08:25 PM
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BTLew81 Offline OP
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Thanks. Forgot about that one. Just need to find it at a decent price.


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Factory Fill/Filter
Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: BTLew81] #4572260
11/12/17 08:34 PM
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There are different philosophies on this matter and it's not an exact science, yet. While I do not use Amsoil myself, I'd check out Amsoil product code AEL. I'm thinking the oil that forms deposits on the intake valves in a direct injected engine is caused by oil seeping past the valve stem seals. Oil seeps past the valve stem seals by design in my opinion. Noack is moot in this scenario. The level of ash matters however.


I had the pleasure of cleaning the intake valves on my GTI when I replaced my intake manifold around 82K. It's not that bad since it's on the front side of the engine and that there are four cylinders to deal with. My car ran great until the manifold conked out and ran great after cleaning the intake valves and replacing the intake manifold with the new one.


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Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: BTLew81] #4572266
11/12/17 08:51 PM
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Both my Jettas have done fine with Pennzoil. I dumped the FF on my 17 at 3k and put in Pennzoil. Price is $10 after rebate. Can't beat that.


2017 Volkswagen Jetta 1.4T - 2015 Honda CRV 2.4 - 2012 Volkswagen Jetta 2.0 - 2001 Pontiac Sunfire 2.2
Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: BTLew81] #4572273
11/12/17 09:05 PM
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Just run Castrol 0W-40.

MAYBE you'll have to pull the intake somewhere up over 100k miles. So what?


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Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: BTLew81] #4572275
11/12/17 09:07 PM
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Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: rooflessVW] #4572300
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Just run Castrol 0W-40.

MAYBE you'll have to pull the intake somewhere up over 100k miles. So what?
Why exactly did you have to pull the intake? I know you like Castrol. Castrol is a great oil. I ran 5w40 and 0w40 Castrol exclusively in my 12 Jetta for the first 100K. The engine still looks like it did when new.


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Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: BTLew81] #4572339
11/13/17 12:40 AM
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Not sure how cold it gets in Illinois but, if it can cope with your winter, Amsoil 10W30 has a very low Noack.

Why are you concerned about low SAPs for a gasoline engine? This only ever had any relevance to Diesel PDFs. All that stuff that Lz was peddling about how you need low SAPs in gasoline to avoid IVD deposits was self-serving techno-drivel. Don't buy the lie...

Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: BTLew81] #4572552
11/13/17 09:15 AM
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Keep in mind, some of the recommendations are for 504/507 which have lower TBN's so it's going to affect your OCI.

iirc, Castrol 0w40 SAP's is about 1.15 ppm.

SAP's can play a role in the amount of the deposits that build in the intake valve. Part of the certification testing for 504/507 is the intake valve buildup test, the before/after mass of the intake valves

Last edited by UG_Passat; 11/13/17 09:18 AM.

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Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: UG_Passat] #4572555
11/13/17 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Keep in mind, some of the recommendations are for 504/507 which have lower TBN's so it's going to affect your OCI.

Yup. I just assumed the OP had a good understanding of this trade-off when asking for lower SAPS oils, but maybe he didn't?


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: BTLew81] #4572649
11/13/17 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted By: BTLew81
Currently running pennzoil euro 0w40 in my VW 1.8tsi. I'm really looking to get the lowest noack I can, and the lower the saps the better. Is there something better than the euro I'm using, in your opinion? I'd really like to try the Euro L, but it doesn't have the VW specs. Frustrating as I think it would fit the bill well.

Also have some valvoline mst in my stash, which has lower saps, but the noack isn't great...

Help appreciated.


RAVENOL VMP 5w30 - Factory VW 504 00 approved (TBN 6,6 and Noack 7,2). This oil is developed with the Audi Sport TT Cup race series. All of these cars use the 2.0L. This is more less the same/similar to your 1.8. This would defiantly fit your bill for the low noack and saps. It is a little pricey but definitely has VAG quality and support. Any of the Ravenol VW 502 00 spec oils would work great with less cost over the Ravenol 504 00 specs.


1993 Audi S4,Ravenol RRS 5W50,Ravenol MTF-2
2000 Ford F250 7.3PSD,Shell t-6,Redline gear oil
2005 VW Jetta 1.9L TDI,Ravenol VMO VW 505 01
Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: BTLew81] #4572686
11/13/17 11:22 AM
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I'm running Motul 8100 X-Clean+ 5w30 in my gen 3 ea888 powered GLI (car in my signature). I'm not sure if this engine will have the same intake valve buildup that the previous engine did, but my hope is that by running this oil (VW504/507 approved) and changing every 5k miles, I'm at least delaying the mileage at which I'll need to clean the intake valves. I know the TBN starts low compared to most VW502 oils, but in my research, it seems to retain a respectable number for a while (lower shear). I've not tested this, so who knows, but I trust Motul as a brand and hoping this choice and OCI will go a long way for me.


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Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: nolesfan] #4573063
11/13/17 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: nolesfan
I'm running Motul 8100 X-Clean+ 5w30 in my gen 3 ea888 powered GLI (car in my signature). I'm not sure if this engine will have the same intake valve buildup that the previous engine did, but my hope is that by running this oil (VW504/507 approved) and changing every 5k miles, I'm at least delaying the mileage at which I'll need to clean the intake valves. I know the TBN starts low compared to most VW502 oils, but in my research, it seems to retain a respectable number for a while (lower shear). I've not tested this, so who knows, but I trust Motul as a brand and hoping this choice and OCI will go a long way for me.

Consider the cost of 5k changes w/ Motul vs the cost of 10k changes with Castrol or Mobil.

I think you'll find that you're not saving yourself any money, especially since your regime may not mean you avoid a valve cleaning.


"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."
Re: Looking for decent noack/lower saps for VW TSI [Re: rooflessVW] #4573370
11/13/17 11:33 PM
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Can't go past Pennzoil Plat 0W30 Euro-LX

VI of over 200
504/507 compliant
0.6% Ash

Using it (well Shell helix Ultra 0W30 ECT C2/C3, same stuff) in my saab 9-5 turbo and have had no issues with volatility. also excellent cold start.

Regards
Jordan

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