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Filter Minder #4569477
11/10/17 07:04 AM
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StevieC Offline OP
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Any tips for installing a Filter Minder?

I bought it because the Journey seems to go through filters like crazy and they aren't cheap so I would like to run them as long as possible.

-Should I try to under drill the hole in the air-box slightly for a tight seal?
-Maybe silicone around the grommet?

I got the K&N one that tops out at 10"



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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569484
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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569499
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That doesn't answer my question. It just talks about drilling a 11/32 hole and installing as per directions included along with the provided grease. Not about under drilling slightly and/or silicone or maybe some other tip folks can provide.

Last edited by StevieC; 11/10/17 07:42 AM.

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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569503
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My bad for trying. Lesson learned here. If time permitted I'd delete previous post but timed out. Mods feel free to delete my posts on this thread.

Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569506
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No it's fine, thanks for posting the link. I had read that though... cheers


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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569518
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You can very slightly under-size the hole for a tighter fit or just use some K&N air filter grease around the grommet. Nothing special about the grease, but it was the most readily available and cheapest I could find online. My PSD came with a filter minder from the factory and I added some filter grease the first time I changed the air filter.


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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569530
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Measure the sealing surface then drill a hole about .050 smaller. When you put the gauge in it wil expand the grommet. No sealer needed.


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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569540
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A filter minder is a good idea and many diesel trucks come with one. But if your in mouse country better check once or 2X a year for mouse nests.


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Re: Filter Minder [Re: Chris142] #4569545
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Originally Posted By: Chris142
Measure the sealing surface then drill a hole about .050 smaller. When you put the gauge in it wil expand the grommet. No sealer needed.


I was thinking a 21/64 hole instead of the 11/32. My dad has odd size bits.


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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569596
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I used one of those step drill bits and didnít need grease. I originally had the k&n version but it would max out on a brand new OEM filter so I went with a wix that goes up to 25Ē h2o


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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569607
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My biggest concern would be to get the best seal around grommet.
That means you need a perfectly round hole.

I would rule out using a regular two flute drill bit.
I've sometimes used those on thin sheet-metal and actually had a triangle shaped hole when finished.

As another poster said, use a Step Drill Bit.
That will give you a nice round hole.
https://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?dir=asc&order=EAScore%2Cf%2CEAFeatured+Weight%2Cf%2CSale+Rank%2Cf&q=step+drill+bit

Clean off any burrs and apply a little Silicon Grease for easy installation.

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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569611
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I have a step drill bit, what I might do is do the 21/64 hole with a standard bit and then clean the hole with a step bit but not let it get to the 11/32 hole they ask you to drill so that this way it's as tight/round as possible.

Last edited by StevieC; 11/10/17 09:26 AM.

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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569692
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
Any tips for installing a Filter Minder?

I bought it because the Journey seems to go through filters like crazy and they aren't cheap so I would like to run them as long as possible.

-Should I try to under drill the hole in the air-box slightly for a tight seal?
-Maybe silicone around the grommet?

I got the K&N one that tops out at 10"




I installed the same gauge and found the 11/16" hole is perfectly sized for the supplied grommet. A little K&N grease around the grommet and on the filter minder assures a perfect seal.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Silicone grease should be no where near your air intake. Please use the K&N grease which is designed to be safe near MAF sensors.

Here's my post on the install: Filter Minder Install

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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569731
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My Journey doesn't have a MAF. Only a MAP / Air Temperature sensor and the air temperature sensor is coated in a ceramic glaze. I'm good!


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Re: Filter Minder [Re: StevieC] #4569763
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I hate to burst your bubble, StevieC ..... but you will never draw 10"Hg on your Dodge Journey filter.
If you do... It will be completely caked clogged (& I'll bet it is near-collapse)

If you were to take your airbox and hook up several shop vacs to it, and try to pull 10"HG on it,
I'll bet you destroy your air filter from the force before you reach 10"HG


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