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PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties #4569214
11/09/17 08:35 PM
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Is this for real!?

http://www.pennzoil.com/en_ca/products/f...c_Motor_Oil.pdf

-40 degrees celcius MRV of 13,200

Is this the only 0w40 with cold flow properties this good?

While this is not Dexos certified, I suspect it would be a great oil in the new ATS... thoughts?


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: webfors] #4569216
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The non Euro PUP is more what I would expect, and closer to M1's 0w40 in terms of cold flow specs:

http://www.pennzoil.com/en_ca/products/f...tinum-0W-40.pdf


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: webfors] #4569221
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Don't know about the low MRV. Maybe because of the GTL? It's certainly better than the 21,600 M1 0w-40 claims.

I note that both of these oils do not show BMW LL-01 approval. So they are similar in that regard too. wink


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Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: webfors] #4569245
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Anyone know if they sell PP Euro at Autozone or O'Reilly? I need some 5w-40 for my Fiat.


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Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: dishdude] #4569249
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Originally Posted By: dishdude
Anyone know if they sell PP Euro at Autozone or O'Reilly? I need some 5w-40 for my Fiat.


I'd check Amazon first.

Pennzoil Euro 5w40

Last edited by SatinSilver; 11/09/17 09:05 PM.
Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: webfors] #4569265
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Interesting that the non-Euro 0W40 has slightly better CCS results but much worse MRV numbers...I guess those two tests are measuring quite different physical properties, anyway.

I haven't seen a VOA for either product, but I'd guess the Euro product is probably high SAPS and might have a lot of calcium that could be problematic for LSPI...but, it also might have a lot of ZDDP that would help quench LSPI. The Pennzoil Euro L oils are mid to low SAPS that are likely low in calcium but probably also with a low starting TBN.


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Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: webfors] #4569299
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Castrol EDGE 0W-40 pour point is -53C! Due to it being mostly PAO.

EDGE product data sheet

Unfortunately Castrol doesnt list actual pumping or cranking viscosities. Regardless safe to assume it wins.

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Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: webfors] #4569459
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Red Line 0w-40 has a pour point of -60 C.
CCS Viscosity, Poise, @ C [email protected]

https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/0W40_MO_PROD_INFO.pdf


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Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: shanneba] #4569512
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Originally Posted By: shanneba
Red Line 0w-40 has a pour point of -60 C.
CCS Viscosity, Poise, @ C [email protected]

https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/0W40_MO_PROD_INFO.pdf


How does that translate to cP for comparison?


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: webfors] #4569515
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Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: shanneba
Red Line 0w-40 has a pour point of -60 C.
CCS Viscosity, Poise, @ C [email protected]

https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/0W40_MO_PROD_INFO.pdf


How does that translate to cP for comparison?


The c is for centi-, just multiply Poise by 100 to get cP.


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M1 5W30 d1G2
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Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: webfors] #4569621
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I would be nice to have the -40 results for comparison.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: shanneba] #4569658
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Originally Posted By: shanneba
Red Line 0w-40 has a pour point of -60 C.
CCS Viscosity, Poise, @ C [email protected]

https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/0W40_MO_PROD_INFO.pdf


Which turns into 5,700cP @ -35C, which compares to 5,960cP @ -35C for the SOPUS product and 6,062cP @ -35C for AMSOIL signature and 5,888cP @ -35C for AMSOIL Euro 0w-40.

Given the repeatability of the test, they are all extremely close.


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Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: webfors] #4569705
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Can we conclude the Pennzoil is almost entirely GTL or PAO? It has cold weather numbers that compare to PAO/Ester products.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: webfors] #4569758
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From the MSDS:



So 5-15% PAO and then 0-90% some low-vis base oil which, if it is similar in VI to a PAO, would be 4.xcSt @ 100C.

That points to a whole lotta VII.....


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Re: PP Euro 0w40 - cold flow properties [Re: OVERKILL] #4570406
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
From the MSDS:



So 5-15% PAO and then 0-90% some low-vis base oil which, if it is similar in VI to a PAO, would be 4.xcSt @ 100C.

That points to a whole lotta VII.....


Thanks Overkill, on the msds details.
Could Pennzoil GTL 0W40 keep VII low enough to be close to Redline's , by employing 6/8/10 cSt @100*C GTL basestocks ?
From PDS, what parameter I should look for to 'assess' whether thin 4 cSt or thicker 8 cSt @100*C base stock is used , that's of course assuming 8/10 cSt is available in the market ?

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