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Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil #4568223
11/08/17 08:38 PM
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Has anybody ever tried this stuff? According to the SDS it is a pure PAO based CJ-4 0w40 oil.

I can't find it anywhere online. Considering ordering some from a distributor if I can find good feedback from the BITOG base.

https://kendallmotoroil.com/product/shp-arctic

Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: CleverUserName] #4568334
11/08/17 10:12 PM
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I am sure it is very good oil. But even in Anchorage 5W40 is more than enough. This is great oil for most of Canada and interior Alaska. Even in Alturas Calif. it doesn't get cold enough to need this. If you live in coastal Calif. use 15W40.
Actually the record low in Alturas is -34F. Is that where you live?

Charlie


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Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: CleverUserName] #4568353
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Sometimes 0W-40 has higher HTHS than 5W-40 at op temp ... In such cases it's the preferred choice.

But, yeah around here (north of SF) you can run SAE 30 HD year round. Susanville - maybe not laugh


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Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: CleverUserName] #4568419
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I live in Northern California, it doesn't get colder than the low 20's here and that doesn't happen very often.

I am using Delvac ESP 5w40 now but mostly interested in this Arctic 0w40 as it's CJ-4 and still made from PAO. Not many options available with these specs anymore.

The regular Kendall SHP 5w40 is reasonably priced so I was hoping I could get this stuff for close to $30/gal if it was worth it.

Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: CleverUserName] #4568650
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Having run "conventional" 15W-40 for many years in EXTREMELY cold North Dakota winters... I wouldn't be overly concerned about getting the best oil imaginable, especially if it's $30 a gallon.

Don't "disregard" normal 15W-40 oil..... it really is not an inferior oil.


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Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: Linctex] #4570576
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No way I would give $30 a gallon for oil. When have you see a dealer offer you more for your trade in when you told him you used syn in it. NOT

Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: CleverUserName] #4588263
11/29/17 12:19 AM
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I just changed my oil in my Ram 2500, using Valvoline 5w40 and gave $20 a gal at Napa. Runs great!
Also saw Delo 5w40 at 20 a Gal at Wally World. Look around or internet and you can get a good buy.


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Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: merdog] #4588271
11/29/17 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: merdog
I just changed my oil in my Ram 2500, using Valvoline 5w40 and gave $20 a gal at Napa. Runs great!
Also saw Delo 5w40 at 20 a Gal at Wally World. Look around or internet and you can get a good buy.


I don't shop at walmart, and not overly concerned with finding a "good buy".

I was interested in the performance of a quality CJ-4 PAO based Xw40 synthetic. Delo and Valvoline are neither of those things.

Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: CleverUserName] #4588384
11/29/17 06:56 AM
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Clearly - few, if any, here use this; no one has responded with direct experience.

The product does have a nice HTHS at 4.0, but the TBN isn't as high as some other CJ-4s. Not that TBN is a big deal, unless certain conditions apply (really long OCIs, heavy EGR, etc).

It would be helpful to understand how you intend to use the product.

I don't see any mention in the PDS of it being a "pure PAO" lube. Is that your assessment? I'm not saying you're wrong; just wondered what makes you come to that conclusion?


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: dnewton3] #4588744
11/29/17 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Clearly - few, if any, here use this; no one has responded with direct experience.

The product does have a nice HTHS at 4.0, but the TBN isn't as high as some other CJ-4s. Not that TBN is a big deal, unless certain conditions apply (really long OCIs, heavy EGR, etc).

It would be helpful to understand how you intend to use the product.

I don't see any mention in the PDS of it being a "pure PAO" lube. Is that your assessment? I'm not saying you're wrong; just wondered what makes you come to that conclusion?


If you look at the SDS, and compare the regular Kendal SHP 5w40 to the Arctic 0w40 you can tell it's pure PAO. Kendal states the SHP is a group III/IV "synthetic" while the Arctic 0w40 only has PAO listed in the SDS. That how I came to my conclusion.

I was interested in this product as the price was appealing for a pure PAO CJ-4. I don't think I could find anything with those specs for $30 a gallon.

Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: CleverUserName] #4589136
11/29/17 06:47 PM
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If thats what you're seeking check out Deere Plus 50 II 0w-40
https://jdparts.deere.com/partsmkt/document/english/featbene/DKD1801OilGuide.pdf

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Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: CleverUserName] #4589557
11/30/17 06:41 AM
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As RR1 says, the Deere product. Also ...
Delvac 1.
Some of the Castrol commercial PAOs.
Etc.

Again - what is the intended use?


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: CleverUserName] #4589724
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Originally Posted By: CleverUserName

If you look at the SDS, and compare the regular Kendal SHP 5w40 to the Arctic 0w40 you can tell it's pure PAO. Kendal states the SHP is a group III/IV "synthetic" while the Arctic 0w40 only has PAO listed in the SDS. That how I came to my conclusion.

I was interested in this product as the price was appealing for a pure PAO CJ-4. I don't think I could find anything with those specs for $30 a gallon.



I am sure it not "pure PAO" and you would most definitely not want a pure PAO oil base. PAOs cause seal shrinkage and are relatively poor at solubilizing contaminates and additives. So esters and Grp. III bases are added to compensate for these drawbacks. PAOs do have great temperature non-Newtonian behavior. My sources: 2 great books on my table in the living room, "Lubricant Additives" and "Lubricant Bases" about 750-950 p. long each and published by SAE I think. Not cheap.
https://www.amazon.com/Lubricant-Additiv...icant+additives
https://www.amazon.com/Synthetics-Minera...lubricant+bases


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Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: CleverUserName] #4589783
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Yup - I always chuckle when someone wants a "pure" oil. ALL LUBES are blends to achieve a task. PAOs are great bases, but they rely on other products (including lowly II and III) to achieve very important things (like solubility as you mentioned) to be "great".

The OP seems to be hades-bent on a PAO (that meets his preconceived desire). So be it. He's not said yet WHY he wants it; probably overcompensation for some need not well defined.

Last edited by dnewton3; 11/30/17 12:38 PM.

The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Kendall SHP Arctic Diesel 0w40 oil [Re: dnewton3] #4589789
11/30/17 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
The OP seems to be hades-bent on a PAO (that meets his preconceived desire). So be it. He's not said yet WHY he wants it; probably overcompensation for some need not well defined.

Generally because they read on the Internet that it's better since it is a Group IV rather than a Group III. Group IV is one more better than Group III, right?

I personally am waiting for Group XI.


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