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#4566087 - 11/06/17 04:48 PM MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN
car51 Offline


Registered: 03/12/15
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Loc: Southwest PA
Good evening BITOG faithful. This filter and some EDGE 0w40 was off a friends older Ford Expedition. Vehicle has over 150,xxx miles on it also. Iíd say the oil did some cleaning by whatís in can. Put another FL-500S and some more EDGE 0w40 he brought over. He hasnít decided if he will do UOA or not.

Enjoy the pics









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#4566088 - 11/06/17 04:49 PM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
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#4566094 - 11/06/17 04:54 PM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
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Nice filter.
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#4566147 - 11/06/17 06:09 PM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
CR94 Offline


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Originally Posted By: car51
... Iíd say the oil did some cleaning by whatís in can. ...
What is that stuff? (Metal? Carbon? Sludgy goo? Mud?)

Thanks!
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#4566152 - 11/06/17 06:15 PM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
Nick1994 Offline


Registered: 02/19/13
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Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Do all Motorcraft filters say "Designed, engineered, and recommended by Ford Motor Company"?

If they do, and Purolator makes these filters, is Ford partially to blame for torn filters?
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#4566225 - 11/06/17 07:36 PM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: Nick1994]
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Registered: 07/22/10
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Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Do all Motorcraft filters say "Designed, engineered, and recommended by Ford Motor Company"?

If they do, and Purolator makes these filters, is Ford partially to blame for torn filters?


Good question. I'm sure Ford/Motorcraft division has been contacted by a few members here about finding torn media on MC filters. If Ford listened and did something about it in conjunction with their manufacturer (Purolator) is unknown.

If Purolator is not building to the Ford design specs (ie, using wrong media, or not spacing pleats correctly, etc) then it's more on Purolator IMO. If Purolator is building per Ford specs, then it would be more of an engineering design issue.

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#4566265 - 11/06/17 08:14 PM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
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Good information Adam thanks for the cut and paste.
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#4566418 - 11/07/17 03:20 AM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
car51 Offline


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Yeah, the stuff in can looked like carbon
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#4566431 - 11/07/17 04:42 AM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 9998
Loc: Indiana
Too bad they all didn't look like this.
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#4566456 - 11/07/17 05:43 AM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: car51]
Sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
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Loc: The Old North State
Like the 910S posted recently also at 8k miles fci, this one looks excellent.

And noticed this one has the oblong intake holes, which on the Puro labeled filters have exhibited indentions or cuts. Apparently none here. Speculating, unlike Puro, MC500 uses thread end bypass so the center tube outlet hole end is slightly narrower with less or no taper, so no pressure on central part of adbv from edge of inlet holes.

Excepting some 820S, generally speaking recent MC anecdotes have looked good.

Thanks for c&p.

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#4567014 - 11/07/17 04:10 PM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: ZeeOSix]
WellOiled Offline


Registered: 10/03/15
Posts: 1356
Loc: Houston, Texas
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Do all Motorcraft filters say "Designed, engineered, and recommended by Ford Motor Company"?

If they do, and Purolator makes these filters, is Ford partially to blame for torn filters?


Good question. I'm sure Ford/Motorcraft division has been contacted by a few members here about finding torn media on MC filters. If Ford listened and did something about it in conjunction with their manufacturer (Purolator) is unknown.
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Zee - Affirmative, I did contact Motorcraft on my issue with the FL820S. I heard from the dealer but they wanted to "test and diagnose the vehicle". For a $4 filter, I said no. I think the report died at that point. Clearly Ford's attitude is there is something wrong with the engine, oil or maintenance. The user would have to pay for diagnosis to prove the engine was in good health before blaming the filter.
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#4567018 - 11/07/17 04:14 PM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: WellOiled]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17762
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: WellOiled
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Do all Motorcraft filters say "Designed, engineered, and recommended by Ford Motor Company"?

If they do, and Purolator makes these filters, is Ford partially to blame for torn filters?


Good question. I'm sure Ford/Motorcraft division has been contacted by a few members here about finding torn media on MC filters. If Ford listened and did something about it in conjunction with their manufacturer (Purolator) is unknown.
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Zee - Affirmative, I did contact Motorcraft on my issue with the FL820S. I heard from the dealer but they wanted to "test and diagnose the vehicle". For a $4 filter, I said no. I think the report died at that point. Clearly Ford's attitude is there is something wrong with the engine, oil or maintenance. The user would have to pay for diagnosis to prove the engine was in good health before blaming the filter.


Typical dealership derailment. So you never heard anything back from Motorcraft?

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#4567075 - 11/07/17 05:37 PM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: ZeeOSix]
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Registered: 10/03/15
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Loc: Houston, Texas
Zee - I heard absolutely nothing from Motorcraft.
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#4567119 - 11/07/17 06:48 PM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: ZeeOSix]
Nick1994 Offline


Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 10097
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Do all Motorcraft filters say "Designed, engineered, and recommended by Ford Motor Company"?

If they do, and Purolator makes these filters, is Ford partially to blame for torn filters?


Good question. I'm sure Ford/Motorcraft division has been contacted by a few members here about finding torn media on MC filters. If Ford listened and did something about it in conjunction with their manufacturer (Purolator) is unknown.

If Purolator is not building to the Ford design specs (ie, using wrong media, or not spacing pleats correctly, etc) then it's more on Purolator IMO. If Purolator is building per Ford specs, then it would be more of an engineering design issue.
Either way, I blame Ford as well because they should be holding Purolator to a standard, if Purolator can't provide a quality product then Ford should end their contract and move on to a better company.
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#4567161 - 11/07/17 07:29 PM Re: MC FL-500S, 8,000 miles CUT OPEN [Re: Nick1994]
WellOiled Offline


Registered: 10/03/15
Posts: 1356
Loc: Houston, Texas
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Do all Motorcraft filters say "Designed, engineered, and recommended by Ford Motor Company"?

If they do, and Purolator makes these filters, is Ford partially to blame for torn filters?


Good question. I'm sure Ford/Motorcraft division has been contacted by a few members here about finding torn media on MC filters. If Ford listened and did something about it in conjunction with their manufacturer (Purolator) is unknown.

If Purolator is not building to the Ford design specs (ie, using wrong media, or not spacing pleats correctly, etc) then it's more on Purolator IMO. If Purolator is building per Ford specs, then it would be more of an engineering design issue.
Either way, I blame Ford as well because they should be holding Purolator to a standard, if Purolator can't provide a quality product then Ford should end their contract and move on to a better company.

+1
A poor quality part is a bad reflection on Ford. For whatever reason, Ford appears happy with the status quo.
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