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2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k #4566074
11/06/17 05:32 PM
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Kansas City,MO
AdditiveOCD Offline OP
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First post, first UOA, first oil change done myself. smile

Little history, bought new. Ran factory fill 3k and had dealer change every 3k. This 5k run had the cerma engine stuff and a moly additive I found on ebay. Replaced with 6qts 5w20 Formula Shell conventional and a K&N filter.

Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: AdditiveOCD] #4566146
11/06/17 07:09 PM
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I'm running Formula Shell 5w20 in my 3.2 KL, seems like it likes it a bit better than the VWB, for whatever reason. Going to run it 5k.


15 Jeep KL Limited V6: Formula Shell 5W20
07 LR3 SE V8: Maxlife 5W30
05 Jeep KJ Limited: PHM 5W30
96 Jeep XJ Country: STP HM 5W30 (winter)
Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: AdditiveOCD] #4567167
11/07/17 08:35 PM
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Jacksonville, FL
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Holy Silicon bat man! What were you trying to accomplish with your additive? Because I'm confused with their choice of add pack to supplement your oil. In the future, stay away from additives, I don't think it really helped you here and if anything it's masking other potential problems.


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Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: FlyNavyP3] #4567172
11/07/17 08:39 PM
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Upper Midwest
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Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
Holy Silicon bat man! What were you trying to accomplish with your additive? Because I'm confused with their choice of add pack to supplement your oil. In the future, stay away from additives, I don't think it really helped you here and if anything it's masking other potential problems.

How is it masking other potential problems and what are those problems other than perhaps silica ingestion?


1994 BMW 530i, 231K
1996 Honda Accord, 263K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 402K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 272K
Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: AdditiveOCD] #4567200
11/07/17 09:11 PM
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Silica (dirt) ingestion is a serious problem, his wear metals are above universal averages based on an interval significantly longer than the oil was run. What does this additive bring to the table is the other question? Even if the add pack didn't do harm, what did it add that the base oil didn't have to protect his engine? Silicon? I'm not saying that he has an induction issue or air filter issue, but if he did it'd sure be hard to tell with this additive. With potential for masking other issues and no real upside why waste the money on this engine oil supplement in a bulk dealership oil. Just run an oil of known quality and motor on.


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Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: AdditiveOCD] #4567217
11/07/17 09:25 PM
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Kansas City,MO
AdditiveOCD Offline OP
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shrug The cerma and moly additives were experiments more then anything else. I was curious what they'd look like on the uoa. We'll see what the next 5k brings, although I suspect that silicon will take a while to flush out.

Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: AdditiveOCD] #4567373
11/08/17 03:03 AM
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Did it run differently with the additives?

Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: AdditiveOCD] #4567400
11/08/17 06:22 AM
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I never used Ceratec I did try MoS2 from them a few times in an old Ford and Buick I owned. I think B_S labs flags the additives in Ceratec as Silicon since they really don't know what they are, and as the report says they're harmless in this case. The engine is still fairly new, so there isn't much in terms of wear you can gather from this report. You need to establish trends. The copper looks great for a 3.6L Pentastar engine, it typically takes a long time to wash out, it comes from the oil cooler. The report did pick up on the moly add, which one did you use?


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Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: AdditiveOCD] #4568207
11/08/17 08:20 PM
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Kansas City,MO
AdditiveOCD Offline OP
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The vehicle didnít run any differently with the additives, idle, rpms, mpg, buttdyno, all registered nil. But it was fun pouring unknown substances in the crank hah.

The moly additive is called Moly+, found it on ebay. And the other was called Cerma Engine Treatment.

Next uoa iíll see what the formula shell looks like with the residual additive left, might be interesting. shrug I also put a 93octane tune on

Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: AdditiveOCD] #4568797
11/09/17 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: AdditiveOCD
The vehicle didnít run any differently with the additives, idle, rpms, mpg, buttdyno, all registered nil. But it was fun pouring unknown substances in the crank hah.

Why would anyone do that?

If you like unknown substances, next time try a bottle of weed killer and report back.


1994 BMW 530i, 231K
1996 Honda Accord, 263K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 402K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 272K
Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: kschachn] #4568866
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: AdditiveOCD
The vehicle didnít run any differently with the additives, idle, rpms, mpg, buttdyno, all registered nil. But it was fun pouring unknown substances in the crank hah.

Why would anyone do that?

If you like unknown substances, next time try a bottle of weed killer and report back.


Make sure to do a VOA on the weed killer, first.

Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: kschachn] #4568991
11/09/17 03:20 PM
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Kansas City,MO
AdditiveOCD Offline OP
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Weed killer wouldn't be cool, but i've thought about using a quart of bar and chain oil to see what happens. I'm more into trying various "miracle" additives and seeing if they actually do anything...although on a engine this low mileage nothing probably will.

Anyone feel free to recommend anything, but keep in mind i'm doing 5k runs and it takes me 6months to get there.

Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: AdditiveOCD] #4570121
11/10/17 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: AdditiveOCD
Weed killer wouldn't be cool, but i've thought about using a quart of bar and chain oil to see what happens. I'm more into trying various "miracle" additives and seeing if they actually do anything...although on a engine this low mileage nothing probably will.

Anyone feel free to recommend anything, but keep in mind i'm doing 5k runs and it takes me 6months to get there.

What happens where? What would you look for to tell you that something happened?


1994 BMW 530i, 231K
1996 Honda Accord, 263K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 402K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 272K
Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: AdditiveOCD] #4570461
11/11/17 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: AdditiveOCD
Weed killer wouldn't be cool, but i've thought about using a quart of bar and chain oil to see what happens. I'm more into trying various "miracle" additives and seeing if they actually do anything...although on a engine this low mileage nothing probably will.

Anyone feel free to recommend anything, but keep in mind i'm doing 5k runs and it takes me 6months to get there.


Bar and chain probably offers more anti wear than Lucas Oil Stabilizer..

I think you'd be fine. I'd bet your paycheck on it anyways. grin


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 200k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
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Re: 2015 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Dealer Bulk 5w20 5k [Re: AdditiveOCD] #4570517
11/11/17 06:52 AM
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Kansas City,MO
AdditiveOCD Offline OP
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Well, with the bar and chain I was curious what the viscosity would be, mixed with five quarts of 5w20 for 5k miles. Thought itíd be a interesting uoa. All the stabilizers market their ďtackinessĒ right? Well I figured whatís better than bar and chain oil heh. Itís got a decently high burn off temp too. Although I doubt thereís any additives in it. shrug Might try one day.

To clarify, Assuming the engine(and me) doesnít die a horrible death, iím mostly just looking at uoas.

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