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New Starter? #4563185
11/03/17 04:08 PM
11/03/17 04:08 PM
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Michigan
jkasch Offline OP
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I've inherited the volunteer job of mowing my church's grounds with a 100 Series John Deere that has a 31F707 Briggs engine. When trying to start it, the starter just clicks but doesn't engage or spin.

I installed a new fully charged battery and cleaned all the connections, but got the same result. However, giving the starter a couple good swift kicks with my foot did the trick and it started next try. It also seems to start fine when it's warmed up.

Any suggestions other than just installing a new starter?

Thanks

Re: New Starter? [Re: jkasch] #4563190
11/03/17 04:17 PM
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Kick it every time? Install a used starter? smile

Re: New Starter? [Re: jkasch] #4563194
11/03/17 04:18 PM
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On John Deere mowers powered by Kawasaki v-twins, I've had luck disassembling and lubing sticky starters. It would be worth a try.


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Re: New Starter? [Re: EdwardC] #4563206
11/03/17 04:42 PM
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jkasch Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: EdwardC
Kick it every time? Install a used starter? smile


LOL. Kicking it may be my plan until spring.

Re: New Starter? [Re: jkasch] #4563211
11/03/17 04:47 PM
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The symptoms stink of a failed starter solenoid. It could also be the starter, maybe worn brushes, but they can all be rebuild for little cost, assuming the Church has no money. Not a difficult job for the handy, even if it's your first time. Check to see if there is a kit with all the replaceable parts included for that starter.

Hard to say what it would cost, but by way of example the kit to rebuild the older 65Amp Chevy alternators are like $20, versus three or more times that for a rebuilt one. If brushes alone, maybe $4.

You can test the solenoid to see if it's the problem.

Lots of replacement parts for those if you decide rebuilding the starter is beyond you, although brush replacement only is quite easy.


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Re: New Starter? [Re: Johnny2Bad] #4563221
11/03/17 05:03 PM
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jkasch Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
The symptoms stink of a failed starter solenoid. It could also be the starter, maybe worn brushes, but they can all be rebuild for little cost, assuming the Church has no money. Not a difficult job for the handy, even if it's your first time. Check to see if there is a kit with all the replaceable parts included for that starter.

Hard to say what it would cost, but by way of example the kit to rebuild the older 65Amp Chevy alternators are like $20, versus three or more times that for a rebuilt one. If brushes alone, maybe $4.

You can test the solenoid to see if it's the problem.

Lots of replacement parts for those if you decide rebuilding the starter is beyond you, although brush replacement only is quite easy.


Thanks. When I search for starter solenoids for the engine, I see what appear to be like a sending unit thats separate from the starter itself, but there must be a solenoid within the starter that pushes the gear up to engage. Is that what were talking about?

Re: New Starter? [Re: jkasch] #4563261
11/03/17 05:45 PM
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jkasch Offline OP
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Thanks for replies. Been watching some YouTube videos. Pretty sure I'm all set on how to proceed.

Re: New Starter? [Re: jkasch] #4563311
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Check for loose/dirty connections before buying anything


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Re: New Starter? [Re: jkasch] #4563348
11/03/17 07:06 PM
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Check for various interlocks under the seat etc that could prevent engagement.

The starter solenoid, if its separate, will have two big wires from the battery and starter and at least a third skinny wire to control it.

Sometimes this sort of thing clears up the more you use it, as you scrape the corrosion off the moving electrical parts.

Also, church is spelled with a small "c" unless you're worshiping church itself, not that bearded guy with the capital C.

Re: New Starter? [Re: jkasch] #4563490
11/03/17 10:23 PM
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e-bay has starters for many B&S engines.


There's no such thing as:
Too big of a battery,
Too large of a gas tank,
or too loud of a horn,
or too bright headlights.
Re: New Starter? [Re: jkasch] #4563492
11/03/17 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: jkasch
31F707 Briggs engine.


Here's your starter motor:
Part# 693551
ebay

A little bit pricey for a Genuine Briggs & Stratton, but they have Chinese knock-offs for about $30.

Instead of paying tithing next month, just buy a starter. shrug




Re: New Starter? [Re: eljefino] #4563601
11/04/17 05:02 AM
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Buffalo, NY
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
Check for various interlocks under the seat etc that could prevent engagement.



I've had that be an issue with various riding mowers. You get a relay click but no joy. Sometimes you need to jumper safety switches one at a time to find the culprit.


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Re: New Starter? [Re: eljefino] #4563807
11/04/17 10:06 AM
11/04/17 10:06 AM
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Michigan
jkasch Offline OP
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Michigan
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Check for various interlocks under the seat etc that could prevent engagement.

The starter solenoid, if its separate, will have two big wires from the battery and starter and at least a third skinny wire to control it.

Sometimes this sort of thing clears up the more you use it, as you scrape the corrosion off the moving electrical parts.

Also, church is spelled with a small "c" unless you're worshiping church itself, not that bearded guy with the capital C.


Thanks for the tips.
Im not the one who used an upper case c, but since were being fussy, a noun should be capitalized if used in place is a proper noun. For example: We cant see Mom today. Then again, this is an oil forum, so....

Re: New Starter? [Re: Merkava_4] #4563949
11/04/17 12:40 PM
11/04/17 12:40 PM
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Michigan
jkasch Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: jkasch
31F707 Briggs engine.


Here's your starter motor:
Part# 693551
ebay

A little bit pricey for a Genuine Briggs & Stratton, but they have Chinese knock-offs for about $30.

Instead of paying tithing next month, just buy a starter. shrug



Thanks. Bookmarked.

Re: New Starter? [Re: jkasch] #4564472
11/05/17 04:43 AM
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Brushes are worn out in the starter.


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