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#4563150 - 11/03/17 04:30 PM What mod makes your car faster
StevieC Offline


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This might surprise you...
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#4563162 - 11/03/17 04:44 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: StevieC]
Traction Offline


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I've watched many of this guy's videos, and he makes a lot of easy to understand common sense explanations of many subjects. In this case he is right on, it always comes down to traction.


Edited by Traction (11/03/17 04:45 PM)
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#4563172 - 11/03/17 04:48 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: StevieC]
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I think this is why Ferrari has had so much success they are obsessed with their tires.
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#4563186 - 11/03/17 05:09 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: StevieC]
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Registered: 02/15/03
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He is making the "Spec Miata" argument. (a basic Miata with great suspension and tires) In other words, a car that corners and brakes very well, on excellent tires turns great lap times.

However, real world tracks often have long and very long straights where passing happens.

I took my turbo Miata out on Homestead with street tires. The Spec Miata guys who were ABSOLUTELY convinced they would turn faster lap times than me were downright surprised I lapped them in 5 laps.

In real world conditions, acceleration is the weakest force on the track or street. A car that can reach 168 MPH at Homestead is a whole bunch faster than a car that can only reach 105. And it does not take much of a straightaway to illustrate HP differences. Let's take his example and make the straights a little longer. Like the below:



Edited by Cujet (11/03/17 05:09 PM)
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#4563188 - 11/03/17 05:15 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: StevieC]
EdwardC Offline


Registered: 11/14/13
Posts: 1864
Loc: Chicago, IL
Wait, it's not stickers?

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#4563197 - 11/03/17 05:29 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: EdwardC]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 36464
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: EdwardC
Wait, it's not stickers?


I know, right? I was like "but but but I have a Type-R badge, MOMO and 10" tall "HONDA" on my windshield, I was CERTAIN that those mods made the biggest difference!" LOL
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#4563198 - 11/03/17 05:30 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: StevieC]
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Was that why Michelin had so much trouble in F1 because those cars couldn't run at full speed without fear of tires falling apart in a chicane or that teams had to send their drivers into the pits more often? I do notice the OEMs do gloss over tires, but they focus more on CAFE and NVH. Maybe Ferrari, Porsche and Mercedes have different performance metrics for tires?

Which is funny, Michelin does make the best DOT-legal summer performance tire and "all-season" performance tire(excluding DOT-legal slicks).

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#4563212 - 11/03/17 05:54 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: nthach]
bdcardinal Offline


Registered: 06/03/05
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Originally Posted By: nthach
Was that why Michelin had so much trouble in F1 because those cars couldn't run at full speed without fear of tires falling apart in a chicane or that teams had to send their drivers into the pits more often? I do notice the OEMs do gloss over tires, but they focus more on CAFE and NVH. Maybe Ferrari, Porsche and Mercedes have different performance metrics for tires?

Which is funny, Michelin does make the best DOT-legal summer performance tire and "all-season" performance tire(excluding DOT-legal slicks).


They also make some of the best tires for GT type cars. Corvette Racing noticed about a 2 second drop in lap time just with switching from Goodyear to Michelin according to Dan Binks book.
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#4563213 - 11/03/17 05:54 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: StevieC]
earlyre Offline


Registered: 11/22/11
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Loc: Lima, Ohio, USA
and here i was sure it was "adding lightness" ala Lotus, or, this:
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#4563236 - 11/03/17 06:22 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: StevieC]
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Registered: 04/18/17
Posts: 515
Loc: Fort Worth TX
My stickers make my car faster....except for the baby on board sign...those lose 10hp.
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#4563258 - 11/03/17 06:43 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: StevieC]
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Registered: 08/05/02
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Loc: Silicon Valley
1. Better driver
2. Better tires
3. Less air drag
4. Less weight

It's probably easier to buy a faster car to begin with.
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#4563285 - 11/03/17 07:06 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: StevieC]
ls1mike Offline


Registered: 06/14/08
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Yawn, this guy didn't even crack a valve cover. Sure tires help...but once you start doing real modifications you get left on the straight sections even if your tires suck.

Get out and build something.
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#4563308 - 11/03/17 07:27 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: ls1mike]
SilverSnake Offline


Registered: 05/29/13
Posts: 592
Loc: Florida
My cars (and truck) are fast enough (especially the Scat Pack)


Edited by SilverSnake (11/03/17 07:27 PM)
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#4563309 - 11/03/17 07:27 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: Traction]
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Registered: 09/12/04
Posts: 21198
Loc: Orlando, FL
Originally Posted By: Traction
I've watched many of this guy's videos, and he makes a lot of easy to understand common sense explanations of many subjects. In this case he is right on, it always comes down to traction.


I agree about traction is more important than more horsepower.

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#4563318 - 11/03/17 07:30 PM Re: What mod makes your car faster [Re: Cujet]
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Yep, horsepower does rule.
In any class of car, all of the real runners will have similar braking and cornering ability.
In any such group, the more powerful car will always win.
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