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#4561550 - 11/01/17 07:58 PM BITOG Collective Knowledge
Moondawg Offline


Registered: 12/29/14
Posts: 49
Loc: So. Texas
I have heard it said that the posters on this forum represent the accumulated wisdom about oil and oil/engine related subjects. I believe it.


Edited by wwillson (11/01/17 08:17 PM)
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#4561601 - 11/01/17 09:01 PM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: Moondawg]
Uregina09 Offline


Registered: 06/07/09
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Loc: Canada
I think that's giving a significant number of folks credit when none is due.
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#4561604 - 11/01/17 09:03 PM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: Moondawg]
Nick1994 Offline


Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 9796
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Depends on who you ask grin

Here's some words of wisdom about viscosity...

hide "As thin as possible, as thick as necessary..." hide
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#4561659 - 11/01/17 10:14 PM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: Nick1994]
Rolla07 Offline


Registered: 11/05/11
Posts: 4658
Loc: MTL, CANADA
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Depends on who you ask grin

Here's some words of wisdom about viscosity...

hide "As thin as possible, as thick as necessary..." hide


I like that quote! I believe its a good balance!
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#4561747 - 11/02/17 12:28 AM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: Nick1994]
SR5 Offline


Registered: 07/07/15
Posts: 4282
Loc: Down Under
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Depends on who you ask grin

Here's some words of wisdom about viscosity...

hide "As thin as possible, as thick as necessary..." hide

Same with the winter W cold start performance.

"As much as you need, but no more than you need. "
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#4561751 - 11/02/17 12:48 AM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: Rolla07]
Nick1994 Offline


Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 9796
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Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Depends on who you ask grin

Here's some words of wisdom about viscosity...

hide "As thin as possible, as thick as necessary..." hide


I like that quote! I believe its a good balance!
Lol not my quote, I've seen it tossed around here before so I've snagged it
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#4561796 - 11/02/17 05:21 AM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: Moondawg]
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Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1512
Loc: Pennsylvania
The sad thing is the best resources left the board years ago like Johnny, Terry Dyson and Tooslick. And of course, Bob passed away.


Edited by Slick17601 (11/02/17 05:22 AM)

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#4561798 - 11/02/17 05:28 AM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: Slick17601]
Bambam Offline


Registered: 12/16/03
Posts: 889
Loc: Monroe,CT
Originally Posted By: Slick17601
The sad thing is the best resources left the board years ago like Johnny, Terry Dyson and Tooslick. And of course, Bob passed away.


Yup, too many internet know it all's badgered unmercifully until great people threw their hands in the air and moved on..
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#4561828 - 11/02/17 07:02 AM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: SR5]
Rolla07 Offline


Registered: 11/05/11
Posts: 4658
Loc: MTL, CANADA
Originally Posted By: SR5
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Depends on who you ask grin

Here's some words of wisdom about viscosity...

hide "As thin as possible, as thick as necessary..." hide

Same with the winter W cold start performance.

"As much as you need, but no more than you need. "


I could say that using a 0 weight oil is not necessary in my application, but prove to me that using any 0w20, 0w30, or 0w40 causes any lube related issues? Plus the Mobil AFE 0w20, 0w30 and 0w40 are great products.
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#4561847 - 11/02/17 07:36 AM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: Rolla07]
SR5 Offline


Registered: 07/07/15
Posts: 4282
Loc: Down Under
Just like the previous comment "as thin as possible, as thick as necessary" does not imply any lube related engine failures if you go a bit thicker. My comment does not imply any engine issues if you go to a colder W rating. The reason MB specs a 0W40 is because it works everywhere in the world, even if it is a bit thicker (40) than some sedate drivers need in a cold climate, and even though 0W is not needed for anybody in a hot climate. It's good world spec oil.

Valvoline published some great spec sheets before for their full synthetics. When you looked at the Noack volatility the 0W20 was more volatile than the 5W20 and the 5W30 was more volatile than the 10W30. This is comparing the same family of products that were formulated the same. Sure compare a PAO to a Group II and you can find an exception. But whenever you compare like with like, a lower cold starting ability comes with a higher volatility and often less shear stability due to more VII polymers. The oil itself doesn't shear, it's the VII polymers that shear, and the wider the grade the more VII polymers are used.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti 0W oils. Infact I got a great deal on some SynPower 0W40 and I happily used it in my very hot climate. I just would have preferred a great deal on some SynPower 10W30, as I didn't need an oil that thick, and I didn't need a cold start that low. But don't worry mate, my car survived fine.
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#4561875 - 11/02/17 08:11 AM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: SR5]
Rolla07 Offline


Registered: 11/05/11
Posts: 4658
Loc: MTL, CANADA
Originally Posted By: SR5
Just like the previous comment "as thin as possible, as thick as necessary" does not imply any lube related engine failures if you go a bit thicker. My comment does not imply any engine issues if you go to a colder W rating. The reason MB specs a 0W40 is because it works everywhere in the world, even if it is a bit thicker (40) than some sedate drivers need in a cold climate, and even though 0W is not needed for anybody in a hot climate. It's good world spec oil.

Valvoline published some great spec sheets before for their full synthetics. When you looked at the Noack volatility the 0W20 was more volatile than the 5W20 and the 5W30 was more volatile than the 10W30. This is comparing the same family of products that were formulated the same. Sure compare a PAO to a Group II and you can find an exception. But whenever you compare like with like, a lower cold starting ability comes with a higher volatility and often less shear stability due to more VII polymers. The oil itself doesn't shear, it's the VII polymers that shear, and the wider the grade the more VII polymers are used.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti 0W oils. Infact I got a great deal on some SynPower 0W40 and I happily used it in my very hot climate. I just would have preferred a great deal on some SynPower 10W30, as I didn't need an oil that thick, and I didn't need a cold start that low. But don't worry mate, my car survived fine.


Maybe i misinterpreted your comment! smile the above makes perfect sense.
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#4561965 - 11/02/17 10:24 AM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: Moondawg]
LaCocina27 Offline


Registered: 10/29/17
Posts: 87
Loc: America
Originally Posted By: Moondawg
I have heard it said that the posters on this forum represent the accumulated wisdom about oil and oil/engine related subjects. I believe it.


LOL

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#4561983 - 11/02/17 10:48 AM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: SR5]
wemay Offline


Registered: 04/04/12
Posts: 8564
Loc: Southeast Florida
Originally Posted By: SR5
Just like the previous comment "as thin as possible, as thick as necessary" does not imply any lube related engine failures if you go a bit thicker. My comment does not imply any engine issues if you go to a colder W rating. The reason MB specs a 0W40 is because it works everywhere in the world, even if it is a bit thicker (40) than some sedate drivers need in a cold climate, and even though 0W is not needed for anybody in a hot climate. It's good world spec oil.

Valvoline published some great spec sheets before for their full synthetics. When you looked at the Noack volatility the 0W20 was more volatile than the 5W20 and the 5W30 was more volatile than the 10W30. This is comparing the same family of products that were formulated the same. Sure compare a PAO to a Group II and you can find an exception. But whenever you compare like with like, a lower cold starting ability comes with a higher volatility and often less shear stability due to more VII polymers. The oil itself doesn't shear, it's the VII polymers that shear, and the wider the grade the more VII polymers are used.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti 0W oils. Infact I got a great deal on some SynPower 0W40 and I happily used it in my very hot climate. I just would have preferred a great deal on some SynPower 10W30, as I didn't need an oil that thick, and I didn't need a cold start that low. But don't worry mate, my car survived fine.


Very well stated.
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#4562010 - 11/02/17 11:36 AM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: wemay]
LaCocina27 Offline


Registered: 10/29/17
Posts: 87
Loc: America
Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: SR5
Just like the previous comment "as thin as possible, as thick as necessary" does not imply any lube related engine failures if you go a bit thicker. My comment does not imply any engine issues if you go to a colder W rating. The reason MB specs a 0W40 is because it works everywhere in the world, even if it is a bit thicker (40) than some sedate drivers need in a cold climate, and even though 0W is not needed for anybody in a hot climate. It's good world spec oil.

Valvoline published some great spec sheets before for their full synthetics. When you looked at the Noack volatility the 0W20 was more volatile than the 5W20 and the 5W30 was more volatile than the 10W30. This is comparing the same family of products that were formulated the same. Sure compare a PAO to a Group II and you can find an exception. But whenever you compare like with like, a lower cold starting ability comes with a higher volatility and often less shear stability due to more VII polymers. The oil itself doesn't shear, it's the VII polymers that shear, and the wider the grade the more VII polymers are used.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti 0W oils. Infact I got a great deal on some SynPower 0W40 and I happily used it in my very hot climate. I just would have preferred a great deal on some SynPower 10W30, as I didn't need an oil that thick, and I didn't need a cold start that low. But don't worry mate, my car survived fine.


Very well stated.


Indeed.

That quoted text, as well as

Quote:
hide "As thin as possible, as thick as necessary..." hide


should be the main takeaways from this thread, as far as knowledge, before this thread inevitably devolves into mindless bickering. Which it hopefully will not.

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#4562012 - 11/02/17 11:38 AM Re: BITOG Collective Knowledge [Re: wemay]
StevieC Offline


Registered: 08/21/08
Posts: 17116
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: SR5
Just like the previous comment "as thin as possible, as thick as necessary" does not imply any lube related engine failures if you go a bit thicker. My comment does not imply any engine issues if you go to a colder W rating. The reason MB specs a 0W40 is because it works everywhere in the world, even if it is a bit thicker (40) than some sedate drivers need in a cold climate, and even though 0W is not needed for anybody in a hot climate. It's good world spec oil.

Valvoline published some great spec sheets before for their full synthetics. When you looked at the Noack volatility the 0W20 was more volatile than the 5W20 and the 5W30 was more volatile than the 10W30. This is comparing the same family of products that were formulated the same. Sure compare a PAO to a Group II and you can find an exception. But whenever you compare like with like, a lower cold starting ability comes with a higher volatility and often less shear stability due to more VII polymers. The oil itself doesn't shear, it's the VII polymers that shear, and the wider the grade the more VII polymers are used.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti 0W oils. Infact I got a great deal on some SynPower 0W40 and I happily used it in my very hot climate. I just would have preferred a great deal on some SynPower 10W30, as I didn't need an oil that thick, and I didn't need a cold start that low. But don't worry mate, my car survived fine.


Agreed thumbsup
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