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Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? #4560929
11/01/17 07:26 AM
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My 2007 Honda Fit has needed to have 3 wheel studs replaced; two on the passenger front axle and one on the driverside front.

I found the lug nuts on these ďbadĒ studs to act as if they were crossthreaded (they would break loose, unscrew a few turns, then lock) when attempting to rotate the tires during oil changes. Therefore, the passenger side issues were found 7,000 miles before the driverís side. Iíve had the studs replaced and all is well, but Iím curious why this is occurring as Iíve never experienced this issue before with other vehicles (Honda and otherwise).

The guy who drives the airport shuttle where I park my car is also a mechanic (certified Ferrari to boot!) and when talking to him about this, he mentioned that heat could be the issue and that my wheel bearings could be heating up, causing the studs to heat up, expand (and contract), thus warping them.

Curious if anyone else has experienced this or has thoughts on the theory.

Cheers,
K


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: Globalksp] #4560932
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The bearings would have to be getting red hot to cause that even if it were possible. Never seen that personally and I have seen smoking bearings when the vehicle arrived at my dads shop for repair. The bearings were also making horrendous noise at anything about 60km/hr

It is weird though. shrug

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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: Globalksp] #4560934
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Just sounds like the wheel nuts are being overtightened.


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: mightymousetech] #4560938
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Iím a fan of simple answers and this is interesting. I donít use a torque wrench when tightening my lug nuts, but never tighten them down too hard since I hate when a shop uses an air wrench to do the job and over tightens them.

I guess it will be a game of wait and see as I donít foresee myself dropping the cash to have the bearings checked.

-K


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: Globalksp] #4560941
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His warping scenario doesn't jibe with the condition you experienced.

I can tell you I've changed two bearing units (which had discolored) and their lug hardware wasn't effected.

Sounds more like a zone of threads got fatigued with time (and corrosion) and finally gave up the ghost.

While we all know "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" maybe replacing them all would've been a smart thing to do.

Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: Globalksp] #4560942
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Originally Posted By: Globalksp
I donít use a torque wrench when tightening my lug nuts


Itís time to start using one.


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: mightymousetech] #4560945
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Originally Posted By: mightymousetech
Originally Posted By: Globalksp
I donít use a torque wrench when tightening my lug nuts


Itís time to start using one.


Duly noted.


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: Kira] #4560947
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Originally Posted By: Kira
His warping scenario doesn't jibe with the condition you experienced.

I can tell you I've changed two bearing units (which had discolored) and their lug hardware wasn't effected.

Sounds more like a zone of threads got fatigued with time (and corrosion) and finally gave up the ghost.

While we all know "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" maybe replacing them all would've been a smart thing to do.


Thatís a good point and one that was overlooked by both the shop and myself. It makes me miss my previous mechanic in NJ who, I feel, would have suggested the same. He had a way of pointing out and suggesting the obvious to me. Thanks for taking up that role today.


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: Globalksp] #4560951
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Had that exact same thing happen to a Chev van a few years ago. And I use a torque wrench. Had to replace the stud on a fairly new vehicle at about 30,000 kms. OE sourcing of cheap parts is my theory.


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: Globalksp] #4560952
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Originally Posted By: Globalksp
Iím a fan of simple answers and this is interesting. I donít use a torque wrench when tightening my lug nuts, but never tighten them down too hard since I hate when a shop uses an air wrench to do the job and over tightens them.

I guess it will be a game of wait and see as I donít foresee myself dropping the cash to have the bearings checked.

-K

It just sounds like your studs have been abused, if you can deal with them in the short term, get the worst ones replaced next time you have brakes done.
To check your bearings, go for a drive and try to stop without using your brakes hard and just feel what temp the centre of the wheels are. Slightly warm from braking is normal I think.
Also for lugs you can get a $20 torsion beam torque wrench, spec'd torque seems to be frighteningly low to me, so I add 10ftlbs and call it good.


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: Globalksp] #4560953
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If your bearings were getting that hot your bearings would have disintegrated by now. You are describing an overtorqued situation.


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: Globalksp] #4560956
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Just want to make sure, are you still using the OE Honda wheel nuts with OE wheels?


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: Globalksp] #4560968
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I wouldn't worry about your bearings.

I also wouldn't believe a van driver who claimed to be a certified Ferrari technician, but that's just me...

Most likely, as others have said, was threads being stretched/worn by too much torque and those distorted threads just don't provide the proper engagement of the nuts leading to loosening.

I would just replace all of the studs and nuts. Seriously. A lot of work, but a loose wheel can ruin your whole day...


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: Globalksp] #4560975
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I hand torque my bolts and im sure they are overtorqued alot but never an issue. I have had lugs ridiculously overtorqued by shops though. So much so that i need to literally jump on the wrench to get the lugs undone.


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Re: Seizing Lug Nuts = Worn Wheel Bearings? [Re: mightymousetech] #4560980
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Originally Posted By: mightymousetech
Originally Posted By: Globalksp
I donít use a torque wrench when tightening my lug nuts


Itís time to start using one.


+1 I would lean that it was over torqued and causing extra stress. That being said I would properly torque before going after wheel bearings. Wheel bearings typically have a different list of symptoms than hard lugs.


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