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0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) #4558698
10/29/17 07:30 PM
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'18 KIA Sportage LX AWD: Mobil Super Synthetic 10w30
'13 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: EDGE 5w30
Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: wemay] #4558703
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IMO, 0w16 is a solution in search of a problem...


'Journalism is Dead'
Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: wemay] #4558712
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Valvoline has a 0w16 now? shocked2

Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: wemay] #4558731
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I wouldn't be surprised if 0w16 overtakes M1 AP as the slowest moving oil at Walmart.

When it goes on clearance, stock up on it because in 10 years time, it'll be the thickest oil around. crackmeup


It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that ain't so.

- mistakenly attributed to Mark Twain
Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: wemay] #4558736
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From what I have read in the past, Honda is interested in this weight.


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2014 Hyundai Elantra GT

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Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: wemay] #4558738
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Mahzurrah!
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Sheesh a [email protected] of 6.8. UOA's I've seen where a 20 grade sheared that much didn't look especially good.


09 Lincoln MKZ AWD 97k - M1 AFE 0w30
12 KIA Sedona 91k - PP HM 10w30
09 Ford Focus 131k - Supertech FS HM 5w30
00 Chev Lumina 201k - Supertech FS HM 5w30
04 Jeep Grand Cherokee gone but not forgotten.
Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: wemay] #4558818
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Honda and Toyota. This wt. has been used for years in Japan.

Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: fields] #4558836
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Originally Posted By: fields
Honda and Toyota. This wt. has been used for years in Japan.


This is fine with Shaken, you may want to google it in the Japanese transportation system to,gain context.

Most car owners in that country dispose of vehicles around 40k miles due to the punitive inspection system.
So if it gets the car to 40k does it matter?
What is a reasonable ownership time for you to have a vehicle?

There is always context and nuance to account for to understand why things are so in different places and this is not apples to apples.

Last edited by Bryanccfshr; 10/29/17 09:55 PM.

2018 Trd Pro 4Runner M1 0w40
2018 Tacoma off-road Castrol 5w30 Magnatec
Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: fields] #4558856
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Originally Posted By: fields
Honda and Toyota. This wt. has been used for years in Japan.


In Sushi bars?

Didn't know about the "shaken." Thanks for that info Bryanccfshr


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2001 Lincoln Cont 4.6L DOHC/ 39K mi / QS HM 5w30 / FUG XG2
1999 Camaro SS M6 /19K /Mobil 1 0w40 /Fram UG /GM MTL-ATF
1969 Ply GTX/RRs
Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: wemay] #4558867
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I'd like to see more development on the KV40. Many cars are driven for 5-10 minutes and are constantly running thick oil due to NOT being up to operating temperature. There is so little to gain once up to operating temperature. I still haven't ponied up for Sustina though!


1994 Ford Crown Vic 207k-Frankenbrew 0w20,30,40!
2005 Chevy 1500 Crewcab 4X4 180k-BC 0w30 $2/qt
2016 Outback 2.5 Limited 60k-shop brand?
Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: RedOakRanch] #4558874
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Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
I'd like to see more development on the KV40. Many cars are driven for 5-10 minutes and are constantly running thick oil due to NOT being up to operating temperature. There is so little to gain once up to operating temperature. I still haven't ponied up for Sustina though!


That's a common meme, and there's a view from some that the optimum oil viscosity is one that doesn't change (see old University 101)...Problem with that IMO is evidenced by the sequence IVA, in that at cold temperatures, viscosity is providing parts separation, and at hot, it's additives providing wear control.

To have a constant viscosity oil would require additives that are functional at all temperatures, freezing through to normal operating.

Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: Shannow] #4558885
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
I'd like to see more development on the KV40. Many cars are driven for 5-10 minutes and are constantly running thick oil due to NOT being up to operating temperature. There is so little to gain once up to operating temperature. I still haven't ponied up for Sustina though!


That's a common meme, and there's a view from some that the optimum oil viscosity is one that doesn't change (see old University 101)...Problem with that IMO is evidenced by the sequence IVA, in that at cold temperatures, viscosity is providing parts separation, and at hot, it's additives providing wear control.

To have a constant viscosity oil would require additives that are functional at all temperatures, freezing through to normal operating.

I'm not expecting to see a constant viscosity oil in my lifetime nor am I looking for one but a block heater and pre-oiler solves those issues now.


1994 Ford Crown Vic 207k-Frankenbrew 0w20,30,40!
2005 Chevy 1500 Crewcab 4X4 180k-BC 0w30 $2/qt
2016 Outback 2.5 Limited 60k-shop brand?
Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: Bryanccfshr] #4558893
10/30/17 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted By: Bryanccfshr
Originally Posted By: fields
Honda and Toyota. This wt. has been used for years in Japan.


This is fine with Shaken, you may want to google it in the Japanese transportation system to,gain context.

Most car owners in that country dispose of vehicles around 40k miles due to the punitive inspection system.
So if it gets the car to 40k does it matter?
What is a reasonable ownership time for you to have a vehicle?

There is always context and nuance to account for to understand why things are so in different places and this is not apples to apples.

+1
We have a saying here in Malaysia that Japanese 'dispose' off their vehicle at year 3.
Quite a substantial number are imported by local used car dealers.

Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: CharlieBauer] #4558901
10/30/17 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: CharlieBauer
I wouldn't be surprised if 0w16 overtakes M1 AP as the slowest moving oil at Walmart.

When it goes on clearance, stock up on it because in 10 years time, it'll be the thickest oil around. crackmeup


No, this will be a volume seller. The 2018 Camry 4-cyl calls for 0w16.


2011 Toyota Prius - 173k - Various 0W-20 (Brew)
2007 Honda Accord 2.4 - 131K - Mobil 1 EP HM 5W-30
Re: 0W-16 & 0W-20 TDS compared (Valvoline Synthetic) [Re: wemay] #4558912
10/30/17 03:17 AM
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These 0W16 and 0W8 oils are coming and coming soon. The ILSAC GF-6 and the next API revision will be out soon enough and this is where the industry is headed. Most hybrid's call for this oil. Since synthetic mono-grades in these weights often pass the requirements of a '0W' oil. They require very little or no addition of PPD/VII's/other modifiers, making them incredibly sheer stable. This makes them very consistent over the life of the oil.

regards
Jordan

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