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Need to pick your Brains #4555513
10/26/17 06:08 PM
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Jeffs2006EvoIX Offline OP
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Hello Everyone been a while since I have been on the forums here so I am re checking things out, and had some thoughts and needed some advice. Where better to go??

I will try and keep this brief but you know how stories go....especially mine haha.

I own a MK6 VW GTI (2013) I bought new, and have changed the oil every 5k with M1 0w40 for the first 20k miles, then Castrol 0w40 up to now, car has about 50k on it. I was contemplating on selling this cream puff GTI and get something else, then I thought, this car is frickin mint, its paid off, and I KNOW it was taken care of, so instead of making car payments again, I am thinking of beginning to mod this car.

Sadly, due to a back injury I cant do the work myself anymore, but I would have the work done for me. Initially thinking of some ECU tuning, DSG tuning, Intercooler upgrade, you know the basics first then see how it goes.

Now, I was thinking of switching oils when I do this. Stage I tunes for this car run on average 4lbs more boost than stock, Stage 2 8lbs on average. We all know with more boost, comes more heat, more stress. I was thinking of switching over to Redline 5w30. I used this oil in my past Evo's for years and the last Evo I had was making double the factory wheel HP and my UOA's of that car were perfect. Do you folks think this oil switch is a good idea? Or is the Castrol 0w40 good enough? I realize the HTHS is about the same as the Redline oil, but the NOACK rating on the Redline is 6 where as the Castrol we can guess is around 9-10 since it is a 502 approved oil.

I am thinking with the higher boost levels and the tendency for intake valve deposits on these DI motors, having a lower NOACK oil with higher boost might be wise. I would still go with 5k intervals since the car is not driven daily. Actually that 5k miles will probably equal a once a year oil change. I dont drive the car too much these days.

So thoughts on this and what you guys and gals think.


Thanks for your time...


Jeff


"You don't have to be crazy to do this... But it helps." Bob Ross.
Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4555536
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Looks like Redline meets some VW specs so as long as yours is on there it should be fine. But why bother when Mobil or Castrol is so much cheaper? Mobil still has their $12 rebate through the end of October and at $22.88 at Walmart, that makes it $10.88.

I've always wondering about the thinking of people who do mods. Do you have more than 6 figures in your bank account? I mean it sounds like a fun project, but if you're worried about car payments, then maybe you can't really afford it. I'd just save the money and pay for the next car in cash, especially as it sounds like you don't even drive it that much. Mods generally reduce the value of the car unless you happen to find that one person who was going to do the exact same mods.

Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4555554
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Leave it bone stock and maintain it like you have been doing and bank the money burning a hole in your pocket.


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Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4555562
10/26/17 06:55 PM
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Ok guys I appreciate yoru advice, I may then just keep it stock.

Wolf 359 I do realize the price difference. For sure. I usually get Castrol 0w40 for $22 at Wallyworld. I only was thinking of switching to Redline for the Better NOACK rating really. With DI cars NOACK actually is a big deal, and if I did tune the car and added more boost? The problem would potentially get worse. I dont use M1 any longer, the VW seems to like the Castrol better. Especially at start up on a cold day, you really can tell the difference in the two oils. I ran M1 for the first 2 yrs I had the car, Castrol for the last 3. Castrol is the better choice for this particular car.

Appreciate your time guys.


Jeff

Last edited by Jeffs2006EvoIX; 10/26/17 06:56 PM.

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Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4555576
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M1 or Castrol 0w40 if modding. If you don't mod then keep doing what you've been doing


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Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4555578
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How cold are the winters unless you go up to the snow?


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Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4555585
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Ok guys I appreciate yoru advice, I may then just keep it stock.

Wolf 359 I do realize the price difference. For sure. I usually get Castrol 0w40 for $22 at Wallyworld. I only was thinking of switching to Redline for the Better NOACK rating really. With DI cars NOACK actually is a big deal, and if I did tune the car and added more boost? The problem would potentially get worse. I dont use M1 any longer, the VW seems to like the Castrol better. Especially at start up on a cold day, you really can tell the difference in the two oils. I ran M1 for the first 2 yrs I had the car, Castrol for the last 3. Castrol is the better choice for this particular car.

Appreciate your time guys.


Jeff


Wow, that would be amazing, people actually taking advice. All I know is that I was once tempted to do some mods when I was younger, but then never got around to it. Got rid of the car a couple years later so all that money would have been down the drain and I'm happy I didn't do it. Plus now I see people trying to sell modded cars all the time, they're lucky to get back 25-50% of what they put into it, but because it's an extra few thousand over a car that's not modded, it just sits around and doesn't sell til they eventually have to drop it a lot more.

Keep an eye out on the Autozone clearance, got a bunch of Castrol 0w40 and 0w30 over the last couple years at $2/quart.

Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4555819
10/26/17 11:43 PM
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Dude, you went underground?
I would keep it stock or go at most with APR Stage I.
Keep Castrol 0W40. Phillips 66 is doing some witchcraft with Redline. New professional series 5W40 has NOACK 11%!!!


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Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: edyvw] #4555821
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Delvac Dino HDEO has that NOACK = $15/gallon


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Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: edyvw] #4556119
10/27/17 09:18 AM
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EDYVW

How are you my friend!! Yes went underground for a while. You only can take so much of forums for a while, had to give it a break.

I was actually thinking of just doing a Unitronic Stage I ECU and DSG tune and was considering upgrading the factory intercooler. That is all I was really thinking of doing. Stage II would require an aftermarket downpipe and once you do that, you risk not passing emissions. Additionally, the noise. I like how my car sounds now. QUIET. Added HP and TQ is always good. Especially if no other mods are needed. The Intercooler I was thinking of doing anyway because I live in a very very very very warm climate and the OEM intercooler is well, ok at best. So was thinking of the Unitronic Intercooler, or a GOLF R/ S3 OEM intercooler.

Just wanted to make sure the Castrol 0w40 would be up to the task.

So not to jack my own thread here Edyvw what is going on with Redline and Phillips? You caught my attention there...


Thank You all for your input and advice. I do take EVERYONES opinions into consideration approved


Jeff


"You don't have to be crazy to do this... But it helps." Bob Ross.
Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: edyvw] #4556372
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Dude, you went underground?
I would keep it stock or go at most with APR Stage I.
Keep Castrol 0W40. Phillips 66 is doing some witchcraft with Redline. New professional series 5W40 has NOACK 11%!!!

But Redline still has their Performance series. That 5W40 NOACK is 6%


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Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: harrydog] #4556769
10/27/17 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: harrydog
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Dude, you went underground?
I would keep it stock or go at most with APR Stage I.
Keep Castrol 0W40. Phillips 66 is doing some witchcraft with Redline. New professional series 5W40 has NOACK 11%!!!

But Redline still has their Performance series. That 5W40 NOACK is 6%

I know, but:
1. It is very thick 5W40 (granted, 5W30 can be used).
2. Obviously once they sent oils for approval, they could not meet same performance as those that are not approved. That begs the question why approved oils have actually below average performance? Their 5W40 is 11%. Valvoline I use in BMW is 10%, has cst of 13.1 and same HTHS, and is cheaper.
Their diesel professional series is NOWHERE near Mobil1 5W30 ESP performance vise.


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11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (Castrol 0W40+MANN filter)
Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: edyvw] #4557087
10/28/17 10:15 AM
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Yeah in VW's 2.0T at least, Redline 5w30 is all you need. HTHS is right around 3.7 which is where most 502 approved oils sit. Thereabouts.

I was looking at this from a car running more than stock boost levels. Would the Redline 5w30 be a better choice vs. Castrol 0w40 in a modified or "Tuned" 2.0T?

I can get the Castrol cheap, and the car seems to like it, its 502 approved, but warranty is out and IF and its a BIG IF I modify this car with a tune or anything else, would it be worth paying 2x's the price of the Castrol in hopes it will be better for the Motor?

That is the question.


Jeff


"You don't have to be crazy to do this... But it helps." Bob Ross.
Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX] #4557280
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I just recently switched from Mobil 1 0w40 to Castrol 0w40 in my VW 2.0T and I noticed that it seems to run a bit smoother and is also quieter. I saw a PDS somewhere that said the Castrol NOACK was 8.5%. Another oil to consider might be Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40. I supposedly has a 6.8% NOACK. Not sure of the HTHS on either of those other than they are at least 3.5

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Re: Need to pick your Brains [Re: harrydog] #4557920
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Originally Posted By: harrydog
I just recently switched from Mobil 1 0w40 to Castrol 0w40 in my VW 2.0T and I noticed that it seems to run a bit smoother and is also quieter. I saw a PDS somewhere that said the Castrol NOACK was 8.5%. Another oil to consider might be Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40. I supposedly has a 6.8% NOACK. Not sure of the HTHS on either of those other than they are at least 3.5

Castrol has per their bulletin NOACK 9.1%, per Russian web site test 8.9%.
Pennzoil Platinume DOEN NOT have NOACK 6.8%. It had first batch of GTL based Ultra that had also HTHS of 3.88. This 5W40 Platinum is nowhere near performance wise to Ultra that was available for short period of time.
As for Castrol running smoother compare to 0W40, that is common trait.

Last edited by edyvw; 10/28/17 10:37 PM.

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