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M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i #4555206
10/26/17 01:16 PM
10/26/17 01:16 PM
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Oakville, Ontario
Patman Offline OP
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Here are the latest results from my wife's BMW, analysis done by Wearcheck Canada:


4,358 miles on oil
June 24 to Oct 21 (4 months)
93,000 miles on engine
Mobil 1 0w40 FS
Mann oil filter
7 quart oil capacity
No make up oil



Iron 13
Lead 0
Aluminum 4.5
Copper 6
Chromium 0.2
Nickel 0
Tin 0.3
Silver 0
Vanadium 0

Silicon 13
Potassium 3.2
Sodium 2.4
Sulfur 2075

Moly 74
Boron 153
Titanium 0
Calcium 3192
Magnesium 82
Manganese 1.7
Antimony 1.8
Barium 0
Lithium 0
Beryllium 0
Cadmium 0

Phosphorus 911
Zinc 1088

Oxidation 177%
Nitration 82%
Sulfation 115%

Soot 0
Glycol 0
Water 0
Fuel 0


Viscosity at 100c 12.7


This is my first interval with the new thinner "FS" formula of M1, and I've also noticed that compared to the old formula, boron is a lot higher, magnesium is a lot lower and calcium/phosphorus/zinc are all slightly higher. Moly is about the same.

I wanted to do a much shorter than usual interval to clean things up a bit, as I feel I overextended the intervals with this car a few times in a row. I was also anxious to see the results of this different formula. Oxidation is still very high but Wearcheck explained that they can't get an accurate reading on it with some synthetic oils. I probably won't even bother reporting oxidation on here anymore actually.












2018 Corvette, 9k, M1 ESP Formula 5w30 & NAPA Gold
2006 Civic EX Coupe, 148k, PUP 5w20 & Fram Ultra
2010 BMW 328i X-Drive,110k, GC 0w40 & Fram Ultra

Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: Patman] #4555226
10/26/17 01:52 PM
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I think your intervals are too short.

Any reason you're not using an LL01 oil?


"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."
Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: Patman] #4555254
10/26/17 02:32 PM
10/26/17 02:32 PM
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Almost no shearing on that oil with a 12.7 cSt viscosity. It held up well in this application. Apparently, she didn't "track" it.


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2001 Lincoln Cont 4.6L DOHC/ 39K mi / QS HM 5w30 / FUG XG2
1999 Camaro SS M6 /19K /Mobil 1 0w40 /Fram UG /GM MTL-ATF
1969 Ply GTX/RRs
Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: 69GTX] #4555262
10/26/17 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: 69GTX
Almost no shearing on that oil with a 12.7 cSt viscosity. It held up well in this application. Apparently, she didn't "track" it.

Or it doesn't shear and the previously reported low viscosity numbers were due to fuel in the oil.

Or Blackstone doesn't measure it properly.


1994 BMW 530i, 238K
1996 Honda Accord, 266K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 407K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 280K
Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: Patman] #4555286
10/26/17 03:01 PM
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I try to keep an eye on all the M1 0w-40 UOA's that show up here as well as on other sites. It does seem to shear down in most appliations, at least more than this BMW showed at 4300 miles. I would typically expect 11.00-12.20 cSt after a 6500-10,000 mile OCI (no tracking/racing).


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2001 Lincoln Cont 4.6L DOHC/ 39K mi / QS HM 5w30 / FUG XG2
1999 Camaro SS M6 /19K /Mobil 1 0w40 /Fram UG /GM MTL-ATF
1969 Ply GTX/RRs
Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: 69GTX] #4555643
10/26/17 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: 69GTX
I try to keep an eye on all the M1 0w-40 UOA's that show up here as well as on other sites. It does seem to shear down in most appliations, at least more than this BMW showed at 4300 miles. I would typically expect 11.00-12.20 cSt after a 6500-10,000 mile OCI (no tracking/racing).

I would say the tests seen here and elsewhere (especially if they are done by Blackstone) are incapable of distinguishing between fuel dilution and actual mechanical shear. In fact, I would say that it is suspect whether Blackstone can reliably distinguish much at all.


1994 BMW 530i, 238K
1996 Honda Accord, 266K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 407K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 280K
Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: rooflessVW] #4555725
10/26/17 09:29 PM
10/26/17 09:29 PM
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Oakville, Ontario
Patman Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
I think your intervals are too short.

Any reason you're not using an LL01 oil?


Because M1 0w40 is $22.88 for 5 quarts at Walmart smile

This is the only short interval I've ever done on this car, the previous ones were 23,300km and 20,940km and 15,803km.

The old 0w40 never thinned out at all during those runs, it thickened up, and it thickened up a lot! In the first one it was 17.7 cst at 100c! The other two it was 16.1 and 14.8. Hopefully this doesn't happen anymore, my wife doesn't need oil this thick with the type of driving she does.

Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: Patman] #4556060
10/27/17 08:27 AM
10/27/17 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
I think your intervals are too short.

Any reason you're not using an LL01 oil?


Because M1 0w40 is $22.88 for 5 quarts at Walmart smile



So is Castrol 0w40 which meets the LL-01 spec.


F80 M3
Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: Patman] #4556141
10/27/17 09:34 AM
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You'd be safe with a minimum OCI of 10k miles.


Mine:
2014 M235i
2009 Cooper Clubman
1999 Wrangler Sahara
1995 318ti Club Sport

Wife's:
2015 X1 xDrive28i


Son's
2009 328i

Buy what makes you smile...
Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: Patman] #4556722
10/27/17 08:58 PM
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4K miles is low though, especially since it's just 4 months. Didn't bother with TBN?

7 quarts too, ouch. Good thing you pay less for M1 though. It's typically over $80 per 5L in Australia. Cheapest I ever seen it was around $55 recently. Our 1L bottles cost as much as your 5 quart jugs.

I don't think short intervals clean things much though. Do you think it sludged up a bit from previous long OCI's?


95 MX-3 2.5L|Shell Helix Ultra 5W40|Wix 51356
04 Focus 1.8L|Wesfil Cooper WZ63|Valvoline MST 5W30
05 Kluger 3.3L|Wesfil Cooper WZ418|Magnatec 10W30 Semi Syn
Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: Patman] #4556731
10/27/17 09:24 PM
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Good run how long on this fill?


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2017 Chevy Tahoe LT 4WD
2014 Fusion Hybrid Titanium
2013 Cruze LTZ - RS Turbo
Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: Patman] #4557382
10/28/17 02:26 PM
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Oakville, Ontario
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I used to get TBN on all of my reports in the past but for the past few years I've just gotten the basic package from Wearcheck in order to save money.

I don't really think it's sludged up, and it's probably not that dirty but I still felt better just doing this one short run nonetheless. I don't often do oil changes at such a low mileage, so I can hopefully be forgiven by my fellow BITOGers on this one smile

I'm not sure how many miles it will have on it for this interval, it's going to be time dependent actually. We are moving into a new home in August 2018 and so I will change the oil at my current house just before we move (when we move we'll have an unpaved driveway in the new home for a little while and the road in front of the house will be dusty/dirty from construction also)

Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: Patman] #4557430
10/28/17 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: Patman
I used to get TBN on all of my reports in the past but for the past few years I've just gotten the basic package from Wearcheck in order to save money.

I don't really think it's sludged up, and it's probably not that dirty but I still felt better just doing this one short run nonetheless. I don't often do oil changes at such a low mileage, so I can hopefully be forgiven by my fellow BITOGers on this one smile

I'm not sure how many miles it will have on it for this interval, it's going to be time dependent actually. We are moving into a new home in August 2018 and so I will change the oil at my current house just before we move (when we move we'll have an unpaved driveway in the new home for a little while and the road in front of the house will be dusty/dirty from construction also)


Have you considered Toromont? TBN/TAN is free with their UOA's.


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2016 Grand Cherokee SRT
Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: Patman] #4557533
10/28/17 05:23 PM
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I honestly haven't considered any other lab simply because Wearcheck is so super convenient for me, their lab is less than 5 minutes from my work so I drop my samples off right at their doorstep and I often end up with my results within a day. I'm not going to push my intervals on any of my cars too much in the future so TBN won't be as important as if I was trying to see the upper limit for my OCIs.

Re: M1 0w40 FS, 4358 miles, 2010 BMW 328i [Re: Patman] #4557540
10/28/17 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Any reason you're not using an LL01 oil?

Originally Posted By: Patman
Because M1 0w40 is $22.88 for 5 quarts at Walmart smile


No point in me recommending Conklin then. frown

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