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Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA #4555019
10/26/17 10:51 AM
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parshisa Offline OP
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There you have it folks. Looks similar to 5w30. Even for TBN...not sure what's up with advertised 12.5.


2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: parshisa] #4555071
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Calcium took a huge hit. Interested to see if this oil stays as clean as the old formulation in the long run. Also interesting to note that zinc and phosphorus are within SN limits

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Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: zuluplus30] #4555098
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Originally Posted By: zuluplus30
Calcium took a huge hit.


HUGE hit. I wonder what's up with that?


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: Linctex] #4555104
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parshisa Offline OP
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compliance with Dexos 1 Gen 2 antiLSPI


2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: parshisa] #4555129
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Starting to wonder why I pay extra for this. Looks uncomfortably similar to Mobil 1.

Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: parshisa] #4555183
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parshisa Offline OP
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I don't think this VOA will tell the whole story about the oil. There are so many other parameters that haven't been tested and we have no idea about (can only trust whatever Amsoil claims it is in the data bulletin). Give a try first, run UOA and then judge - that's my philosophy. It's gonna be awhile though before it happens lol


2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: parshisa] #4555188
10/26/17 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted By: parshisa
I don't think this VOA will tell the whole story about the oil. There are so many other parameters that haven't been tested and we have no idea about (can only trust whatever Amsoil claims it is in the data bulletin). Give a try first, run UOA and then judge - that's my philosophy. It's gonna be awhile though before it happens lol


I agree except the TBN should be within a point or 2 of Amsoils bulletin. Meaning .1 or .2

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Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: tsduke] #4555191
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yeah, that's a bit odd. anyway, I've emailed Amsoil tech support addressing my concerns about TBN...let's see what/if they reply back


2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: parshisa] #4555511
10/26/17 07:03 PM
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Very disappointed in this re-formulation. No reason to choose this over much cheaper and easier to get M1 EP.

Amsoil also used to be honest - said an oil was 12 TBN, it was.

2 back to back tests prove this claim is carp.


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Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: addyguy] #4555625
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In wouldn’t loose the sleep over it. We need to try and run it first, do UOA and see how it performed. Plus, keep in mind we don’t see TAN, NOACK, sulfates ash and such on this test. It is going in my engine on the next oil chmage👍


2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: addyguy] #4555637
10/26/17 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: addyguy
Amsoil also used to be honest - said an oil was 12 TBN, it was.

2 back to back tests prove this claim is carp.

The new Mobil 1 Annual Protection also tested out well under the published TBN. Perhaps this oil is a lot like the new M1 and is "resistant" to typical test methods.

Or maybe neither one actually has what they publish. But that seems unlikely.


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Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: parshisa] #4556188
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parshisa Offline OP
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Folks, just wanted to let you all know: did get a reply from Amsoil/Oil analyzers on why the TBN is sow low. Apparently there are two different methods oil is being tested for TBN: ASTM D2896 for new oils, ASTM D4739 for used oils. Polaris/oil analyzers lab uses only second one which can give lower TBN value due to the method specifics. Long story short - the number in the report is not something we need to look at and judge. Sorry for the initial confusion and hopefully it will help to regain trust in Amsoil lol


2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: parshisa] #4575807
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The more I think about this, the more I like this new formula. It's the only D1G2 oil I've seen so far with that much phosphorus and zinc, and then coupled with the high moly and boron content I think this is a really good looking oil. I wish it was cheaper to get, but in my opinion it's the best looking formulation I've seen so far with these new LSPI combatting oils.

Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: JustN89] #4575879
11/16/17 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: JustN89
The more I think about this, the more I like this new formula. It's the only D1G2 oil I've seen so far with that much phosphorus and zinc, and then coupled with the high moly and boron content I think this is a really good looking oil. I wish it was cheaper to get, but in my opinion it's the best looking formulation I've seen so far with these new LSPI combatting oils.


Bingo!

Same with the new SS 5w30, looks fantastic in my opinion.

Re: Amsoil SS 0w20 new formulation VOA [Re: jdavis] #4576412
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Both new 0w20 and 5w30 are sitting in my garage and waiting on their turn. Can't wait to dump my current fills and fill it up with this stuff lol


2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
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