Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: Speak2Mountain
Brainstorm: If more DI and Turbo DI engines had manually transmissions would that alleviate or eliminate certain problems inherent of this type
That ship sailed a long time ago along with crank windows and manual locks. Automatics can last pretty long now. With a stick, you eventually need to drop the transmission and replace the clutch, the cost of which is about what the option on an automatic costs. Plus no one knows how to drive them because many models don't even offer it as an option.
Some say the issue is the fuel and use of top tier gas is more important with DI engines.
Interesting. I guess our 180k+ mile cars (driven in traffic and around town, two people even learned on one of them) that rotted around the transmissions (with original clutches) must not have gotten the memo.
I can think of a few ATs that required multi-thousand dollar overhauls around the 150-200k mark.
Going by your logic:
AT: $1000 AT acquisition + $3000 refurbishment at 200k = $4000 lifecycle cost
MT: $1000 clutch replacement at >180k = $900 lifecycle cost
And $1000 is being pretty highly paid for a clutch job...
So if $1000=$4000, I must have learned math wrong.
The cost of the transmission option is about $1000 over a manual. Not the cost of a new one. Although the last time mine went out at over 230k, it was the torque converter which would have cost about $100 for a new one. Labor to remove FWD transmissions was $700, best price I found, other places were $1000 and up. Used transmission was about $500. A rebuilt one is about $1500. Prices vary depending on the car you have. Usually when doing a clutch, it's the clutch, pressure plate and throwout bearing. It's not so much the parts price, it's the labor of dropping the transmission. And as others said, they usually give out around 100k or so but some who are good have gotten 200k out of the original clutch, but you can't count on being that lucky. Mine was almost burnt up when I replaced it at a little over 120k, didn't have much life left to it. I only replaced it because I was replacing the engine at the time so it was just the cost of the part as it was all apart already. I learned how to drive a stick on that car so I'm sure that didn't help.