Recent Topics
SuperTech synthetic on Rollback $15.68
by bubbatime
20 minutes 20 seconds ago
Mercury V-6
by gotnogunk
29 minutes 51 seconds ago
Pennzoil Gold 0w20 question
30 minutes 22 seconds ago
Why did they ever go away from glass head lamps?
by BAJA_05
42 minutes 22 seconds ago
New 4.2L V8 from GM and Cadillac
by MrHorspwer
56 minutes 41 seconds ago
04 Nissan 350z, Castro Edge 5W30, 76873 miles
by funkymonkey1111
58 minutes 44 seconds ago
E-Mail Notification Of Threads Is Sporadic
by billt460
Today at 10:37 AM
Wire brush for hub holes
by spavel6
Today at 10:20 AM
Who uses Otis gun cleaner, lubricants, CLPs, etc.?
by Ed_Flecko
Today at 10:10 AM
by zfasts03
Today at 10:05 AM
Whats the best free antivirus program as today?
by BAJA_05
Today at 10:00 AM
One oil for all cars and driving conditions
by Oldtom
Today at 09:12 AM
Gravity inversion for the back..
by ZZman
Today at 08:12 AM
Super Tech 15w40 and other HDEO's.... the clutch?
by BigJohn
Today at 08:04 AM
Bridgestone DriveGuard - 2014 DOT Date
by carguy996
Today at 07:56 AM
random overheat
by joaks
Today at 07:26 AM
2012 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.4L Starter
by Urshurak776
Today at 06:55 AM
BG oil additive
by Brolly
Today at 06:48 AM
Synthetic cold flow test
by Brolly
Today at 02:25 AM
Driving Waco to Springfield, MO
by user52165
Today at 12:40 AM
Newest Members
hbsprite, tomcor, csufl, amatt, turbobooster
64519 Registered Users
Who's Online
99 registered (04SE, 4WD, Alfred_B, 1JZ_E46, 901Memphis, 8 invisible), 1714 Guests and 101 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
64519 Members
68 Forums
280180 Topics
4676896 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Topic Options
#4549399 - 10/20/17 04:45 PM Remove old Klasse for new layer of Klass with AIO?
Mr_Accord Offline

Registered: 01/24/07
Posts: 446
Loc: LBP
I'm in the process of getting my car ready for another season of snow and slushy salt in the rust belt. Back in the spring I changed my usual routine of just waxing the car over the summer months due to the fact I knew I would have no time as in previous years to detail throughout the summer. I applied a layer of AIO + two coats of SG + 845 back in April to coat the car over the summer. We are now 7 months later and I want to give the car a fresh protective coating to last the winter. My winter routine has always been Klasse AIO + 3x coats of SG and then a wax, but in past years by the time summer comes to an end usually any remnants of Klasse have worn off the car. Will AIO remove the old Klasse coatings or do I have to use a polish with my DA machine to accomplish that?
1990 VW Jetta GL 1.8L 8V - SOLD
1992 Honda Accord Lx - SOLD frown
1993 Ford Aerostar XL 4L V6 - Retired RIP
2004 SAAB 9-3 ARC 2.0T - Current

#4549468 - 10/20/17 06:23 PM Re: Remove old Klasse for new layer of Klass with AIO? [Re: Mr_Accord]
SatinSilver Offline

Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 9479
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: Mr_Accord
Will AIO remove the old Klasse coatings or do I have to use a polish with my DA machine to accomplish that?

I would not use a polish to remove the AIO. I would use a strong concentration of soap, probably a double dose, spot clay the areas that need it. Which will prob be the front end and the bottom-most areas. Then simply do an IPA wipe down with 70% rubbing alcohol. You can even dilute it down a bit more if you want. Put mixture in spray bottle. Spray surface and wipe with plush MF towel. This will give the AIO a nice squeaky clean surface to bond to. Then put car in garage over night and keep it out of any kind of moisture for 24 hours so the AIO can bond properly. Which means keeping it out of morning and evening dew.

I would use 845 as the winter protection. One, maybe two coats if you want. You have to be careful about polishing it too much. Keeping it clean and protected is the main thing. There's only so much clear coat on the finish. Typically it's the thickness of a human hair starting out new.
2012 Toyota Camry 72k-Idemitsu 0w20,OEM filter, RT43s.
2005 Toyota Matrix 135k miles - VWB 5w30 conv, Valvoline oil filter. Nokian eNTYRES.

#4549578 - 10/20/17 07:36 PM Re: Remove old Klasse for new layer of Klass with AIO? [Re: Mr_Accord]
danez_yoda Offline

Registered: 07/18/09
Posts: 390
Loc: texas
Aio is a strong solvent based cleaner. It has no abbrasives but it has good solvents. Its all in ine but its main purpose is to prepair the surface for sg.

I would wash, clay, dry, aio, sg x2-3. Done.

Be careful wth aby wax you put over sg. If that wax has any cleaners in it it will reduce the protection you get from sg.

Might be why its only oastng a few months, I gt 6-8 monthe of beading from and AIO SG treatment on toyota paint.

#4549619 - 10/20/17 08:13 PM Re: Remove old Klasse for new layer of Klass with AIO? [Re: Mr_Accord]
JFAllen Offline

Registered: 07/31/16
Posts: 138
Loc: Albury, NSW
The only way to truly strip any old wax/sealants off the car is to use an abrasive. Megs 205, 3M polish, Turtle wax polishing compound (my favourite for a cheap mild non-silicone containing abrasive polish,) etc... (there are lost of mild abrasive polishes.

This will also help to remove any swirls that may be present. Best to use an orbital polisher of course. Nothing will strip/clean the paint better than a bodyshop safe polish (all above are body shop safe.) This will also help to remove more stubborn surface bonded contaminants that a simple clay wont remove.

Don't be afraid of abrasives, they're there the correct too for preparing paint for sealing.


#4549631 - 10/20/17 08:20 PM Re: Remove old Klasse for new layer of Klass with AIO? [Re: Mr_Accord]
HoosierJeeper Offline

Registered: 11/23/16
Posts: 1213
Loc: WI
I'd do the AIO followed by the SG. Then after 8 hours another coat of SG. I think that's how the system is designed to work, but polishing before definitely won't hurt.

Edited by HoosierJeeper (10/20/17 08:21 PM)
15 Jeep KL Limited V6: Formula Shell 5W20
07 LR3 SE V8: Maxlife 5W30
05 Jeep KJ Limited: PHM 5W30
96 Jeep XJ Country: STP HM 5W30 (winter)