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Seal Swell Testing Video #4548179
10/19/17 11:29 AM
10/19/17 11:29 AM
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Toronto ON
Solarent Offline OP
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Toronto ON


I sometimes get asked how seal swell agents work and while doing some research on the topic, I came across this video from Lubrizol which shows how an oil's impact on seals is evaluated. The test shown here isn't the only one used, but it is one of the main ones.

Basically after being exposed to oil after a long period of time (a week at elevated temperature), the seal coupon is stretched to see if it has changed since new. High Mileage engine oils contain ingredients designed to soften older and harder elastomers and bring them back to similar levels of performance to new material using what is shown in these tests to evaluate the performance.

Hope you like the video as much as I did!

Re: Seal Swell Testing Video [Re: Solarent] #4548206
10/19/17 11:50 AM
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Thanks thumbsup


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Re: Seal Swell Testing Video [Re: Solarent] #4548256
10/19/17 12:26 PM
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Very nice! Thanks. Interesting that almost all brands now recommend their HM oils for new vehicles as well.


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Re: Seal Swell Testing Video [Re: Solarent] #4548381
10/19/17 02:28 PM
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I can't see changing to a HM oil regardless of mileage if there are no apparent problems. What's working should be left alone. There are those that must really abuse their vehicles for there to be a suggestion that 75K miles equates to high mileage. My 03 V8 4Runner is at 165K+ miles with no indication of excessive oil consumption or seals leaking. That's more than double this 75K cutoff and this engine works hard for its living.

Re: Seal Swell Testing Video [Re: Solarent] #4548427
10/19/17 03:25 PM
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Cool video. Makes me feel even better about HM oils.


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Re: Seal Swell Testing Video [Re: Solarent] #4548477
10/19/17 04:28 PM
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My car only has 78K miles. But being 16 years old, so are the seals and gaskets. I'm going to start making the move to a HM oil next year. There is some oil weepage (no dripping).


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2001 Lincoln Cont 4.6L DOHC/ 39K mi / QS HM 5w30 / FUG XG2
1999 Camaro SS M6 /19K /Mobil 1 0w40 /Fram UG /GM MTL-ATF
1969 Ply GTX/RRs
Re: Seal Swell Testing Video [Re: Solarent] #4548536
10/19/17 05:37 PM
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Are the active mechanisms in HM oil different than AT-205?

From what I recall, HM swells seals and if you stop using HM it goes back to original. With AT-205 it's an additive product that restores material onto seals?


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Re: Seal Swell Testing Video [Re: Solarent] #4549194
10/20/17 11:45 AM
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Kalifornia Kollective
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Once softened, they may slowly go back as you use non-HM oils, but it is not an over night process ...

But once you need HM oils, why go back?


Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.
Re: Seal Swell Testing Video [Re: Solarent] #4549310
10/20/17 02:19 PM
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Very interesting. Iíve got some PPHM 0W-20 about to go in my Odyssey, and I have MaxLife 5W-30 in my Camry. Both are are high mileage vehicles and I like the idea of HM oils. Iíll stick with them going forward.


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Valvoline MaxLife 5W-30 blend and FRAM PH4967

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