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A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion #4547857
10/19/17 04:32 AM
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There have been many threads discussing the pros and cons of 6 point versus 12 point sockets and wrenches. I think many of us agree that once the fastener becomes large enough the difference between the 6 point and the 12 point does not matter that much in terms of rounding off the fastener. So the question is at what size you think this occurs?

Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: greasegunn] #4547882
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Perhaps the torque load on the fasteners might be more relevant.
A properly fitting tool is of course the first priority, a rule of thumb when selecting torx keys is find one that fits, then go up a size, this compensates for dirt in the head etc.

Claud.

Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: greasegunn] #4547944
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Why do deep sockets typically come 6pt while their shallow brethren come with 12pt?

I'm trying to remember if I ever saw a 12pt deep socket. Maybe it's a manufacturing issue.


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Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: Leo99] #4547953
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Originally Posted By: Leo99
Why do deep sockets typically come 6pt while their shallow brethren come with 12pt?

I'm trying to remember if I ever saw a 12pt deep socket. Maybe it's a manufacturing issue.
I have many 12pt deeps


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Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: greasegunn] #4547970
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I have never heard of a cut off point. I use 6 point on every bolt if possible.


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Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: greasegunn] #4548039
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Maybe when you get into bigger fasteners you're more likely to find ones of a higher grade/ better metallurgy. I always try to use a 5/16 6pt on GM battery bolt heads for example because they're soft. But we have 12 point "slugging wrenches" (hammer the end!) at work for 2-inch-plus size nuts and they work great! The nuts also don't look any worse for wear when done.

Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: greasegunn] #4548105
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6 points are the way to go for high torque and abusive applications.


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Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: Leo99] #4548113
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I have 6 pt deep sockets so I know they are available

Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: greasegunn] #4548233
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I never saw 12-pt bolt heads until I worked in the aircraft industry. Then I saw them all over the place.

I use only 6-pt sockets when wrenching at home. I still use the same set I bought in 1974 for my toughest jobs.

Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: greasegunn] #4548268
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My first socket set as a teen was a cheap-ish 12point set, no 6 pointers in the set!
I used that set for decades! Heck or hi water!
On one job the nut rounded and I really wrecked my hand!

So my new set had to be all 6 point sockets, deep and shallow, it was a few months before
a nice set come on sale with a decent box with actual hinges! And a full set of Torx tips too!
Still use it today, in premo shape!

10 yrs ago I finally bought a full set of impact sockets! 6 point of course! Happy now! smile

Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: greasegunn] #4548449
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The Impact sockets I use are 6pt and the corners are milled out so the flats contact and apply full torque to the fastener where it is strongest. I tend to use 6pt in regular sockets (deep or standard) for the same reason. 12pt are using the tips of the fastener and invite rounding. 2cents


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Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: Kestas] #4548607
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Originally Posted By: Kestas
I never saw 12-pt bolt heads until I worked in the aircraft industry. Then I saw them all over the place.

I use only 6-pt sockets when wrenching at home. I still use the same set I bought in 1974 for my toughest jobs.


Iíve used 10 pt fasteners also. Itís a 12 pt pattern with flats for a wrench.


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So keep in mind how much you paid for this advice.
Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: tom slick] #4548849
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12 point will work on square fasteners, 6 point will not.

Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: greasegunn] #4548872
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The hub bearings on my Jeep are held on with 3 12 point bolts.

They scare me. I was very concerned about rounding one off when I did my hub bearing.

In fact, I almost did on my spare D30. Thought I was going to have to grind the head off.


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Re: A different 6 vs 12 pt discussion [Re: greasegunn] #4549840
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6 point sockets used to be the cheapest junk you could get, all the quality brands used 12 point. When air tools became common, then 6 point impact sockets came along, and now 6 point normaal sockets are very common in quality brands. My Hazet, Stahlwille and SK sockets are all 12 point.


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