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Spinning an engine #4547533
10/18/17 06:42 PM
10/18/17 06:42 PM
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OneEyeJack Offline OP
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I have a new to me 2006 Scion xB, 5-speed manual with the 1NZ-FE 1.5L motor with a chain drive camshaft and VVT on the intake side.

My question is about spinning that engine. I just finished a hot weather desert trip (90-105F) of 500 miles on open roads at speeds from 65-85 mph with the a/c on full blast. That meant that this little engine was spinning at 4-5K rpm for quite a while. I got 36 mpg for the trip and the level moved on the dipstick such a tiny amount it was difficult to measure. The oil is left over Red Line 0w-30 from my other vehicles and the oil filter is a Mobil 1 103.

I'm just wondering how long this engine will last spinning like that.

Re: Spinning an engine [Re: OneEyeJack] #4547547
10/18/17 06:48 PM
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The engine(2.5 I 4) in my 2017 Fusion turns about 2200 RPM at 75. Your engine seems to really revving high for an average Interstate MPH.


2007 Ford Fusion 235,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 60K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
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Re: Spinning an engine [Re: OneEyeJack] #4547548
10/18/17 06:48 PM
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As long as you keep oil in it, should be fine. Those little motors have to spin to make power and that's what they're designed to do.

You could UOA and see what you see after 5k


2010 Ford Fusion SE 3.0L V6, 181 miles M1 HM 10w-30
Re: Spinning an engine [Re: OneEyeJack] #4547553
10/18/17 06:49 PM
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I am not sure if I understand the question? I took a long (2k miles) while sustaining 3-5k rpm most of the time with a heavy payload. This truck had 240+k on it and it is still going, wasn't worried about the engine one bit. My wife was driving the sienna maintaining pretty high rpms on the same drive and the van has over 280k miles. Didn't skip a beat running high rpms during the trip.


2011 Prius 96k miles RLI 5w20
97 Toy T100 4x4: amsoil 0w20 242k Miles
04 Toy Sienna awd: Pennzoil 0w20 281k Miles
Re: Spinning an engine [Re: tig1] #4547558
10/18/17 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: tig1
The engine(2.5 I 4) in my 2017 Fusion turns about 2200 RPM at 75. Your engine seems to really revving high for an average Interstate MPH.


I'm guessing that at cruise he's around 3200 rpm for 85mph.

It's a 5 speed and I think he's talking about winding out the gears to get up to speed


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Re: Spinning an engine [Re: OneEyeJack] #4547567
10/18/17 06:53 PM
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probably a good while...i would think a car can travel interstate speed continuously..if not thats quite a design flaw. seems most vehicles cruise the highway 65 or so at their torque peak, which is usually half their total rpm before redline.
my fusion turns 3k doing 70, but redlines at 6500
my truck turns 1800 doing 70, redlines at about 4000 (old style ford 300)
streetbike turns 4500 doing 70, redlines at 9500.

seems odd that scion would scream like that at interstate speed, when im sure it doesnt redline 9k.


2013 escape 2.0 awd mobil 1 10w30ep
2008 fusion 2.3 mtx redline 0w20
1996 f150 4.9 2wd mtx mobil 1 10w30hm
1999 kaw zrx 1100 redline 10w40
many husqvarnas
Re: Spinning an engine [Re: OneEyeJack] #4547603
10/18/17 07:10 PM
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No load revs (highway) aren't going to kill an engine any faster.

Keep oil in that engine and you'll be fine.


"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."
Re: Spinning an engine [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4547610
10/18/17 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
Originally Posted By: tig1
The engine(2.5 I 4) in my 2017 Fusion turns about 2200 RPM at 75. Your engine seems to really revving high for an average Interstate MPH.


I'm guessing that at cruise he's around 3200 rpm for 85mph.

It's a 5 speed and I think he's talking about winding out the gears to get up to speed


I had a '05 xB with the 5-speed MT and it ran a steady 3500 RPM at 70 mph. That engine/trans combination was not designed for loafing at highway speeds. Even the 4-speed automatic in the first gen xB runs about 3400 RPM at 70


'13 LaCrosse eAssist, 50000+ miles | Magnatec 5w30 & Fram EG
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Re: Spinning an engine [Re: OneEyeJack] #4547620
10/18/17 07:24 PM
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I flat foot the 2ZR-FE in my Corolla everytime I drive the slow POS, Can't seem to kill it!


2001 Chevy Camaro L92/4L80E
2006 Chevy 2500HD LBZ/Allison 1000
2010 Toyota Corolla 2ZR-FE/U341E
2000 Toyota Avalon 1MZ-FE/A541E
Re: Spinning an engine [Re: yesthatsteve] #4547659
10/18/17 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: yesthatsteve

I had a '05 xB with the 5-speed MT and it ran a steady 3500 RPM at 70 mph. That engine/trans combination was not designed for loafing at highway speeds. Even the 4-speed automatic in the first gen xB runs about 3400 RPM at 70

The 2.4 auto does the same. Not sure off hand what the RPM's are @ 70, but I know it is above 3000.


2012 xB: QSUD 0w-20/CQ Blue/5k
2010 Santa Fe: PP 0w-20/P1/8k
2007 Vue: VSP 5w-30/EcoGard/OLM
2004 F150: GTX HM 5w-20/TG2/4k
2002 F150: GTX HM 5w-20/EcoGard/1yr
1994 VT1100c: Peak 15w-40/PSL/5k



Re: Spinning an engine [Re: OneEyeJack] #4547661
10/18/17 07:59 PM
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Wouldn't sweat it, Toyota Corolla with the 1.6L and 3 spd auto here. Spins about 4-4.5k on the expressways. 266k and still going strong.

Re: Spinning an engine [Re: OneEyeJack] #4547669
10/18/17 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
I have a new to me 2006 Scion xB, 5-speed manual with the 1NZ-FE 1.5L motor with a chain drive camshaft and VVT on the intake side.

My question is about spinning that engine. I just finished a hot weather desert trip (90-105F) of 500 miles on open roads at speeds from 65-85 mph with the a/c on full blast. That meant that this little engine was spinning at 4-5K rpm for quite a while. I got 36 mpg for the trip and the level moved on the dipstick such a tiny amount it was difficult to measure. The oil is left over Red Line 0w-30 from my other vehicles and the oil filter is a Mobil 1 103.

I'm just wondering how long this engine will last spinning like that.
My '05, in my sig, is exactly the same-75 MPH is 4000 RPM. I've pushed it over 100 MPH several times, for short bursts, and it's had many decent length interstate runs of 70+ MPH, sometimes even hauling 4 adults in summer heat with A/C, and it has really had ZERO oil consumption, running M1 EP 5W30, roughly 9500-10K miles/OCI. If I ever kill the clutch or transaxle, it's getting the 5th drive & driven gear out of a Corolla transaxle, to get the highway RPMs down. Amazing you got 36 MPG, usually my mileage drops like a rock over 60 MPH.


06 Ram 3500 CTD 4X4(FG Venturi), 93 GMC C3500 6.2, 89 F-450 7.3, 98 XJ 4.0(XG8A), 05 xB(XG3600), 18 Transit 3.7, 03 Merc Grand Marquis 4.6 2V(XG2)
Re: Spinning an engine [Re: OneEyeJack] #4547687
10/18/17 08:21 PM
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High RPMs are not necessarily harmful to an engine, with or without load. Lack of maintenance is. The car is designed for usage at highway speeds, it will be fine. I owned a 1986 Toyota Tercel 4x4 wagon with a 1.5L 4 cyl and 6-speed manual. The 1st gear was a granny (avail in 4wd only) and the other 5 gears were super short spaced, such that you were doing 4k rpm @ 80. I was hesitant to drive at that speed at first, but it did fine. My '85 F250 with a 460 V8 runs about 3500rpm @ 80 and it too, does fine, albeit with terrible gas mileage.


1985 F-250HD 7.5L 4x4 135k- Castrol GTX 15w-40 HDEO
04 Odyssey EX 182k PUP 0w-40
96 Maxima GLE 250k QS Defy 5w-30
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Re: Spinning an engine [Re: OneEyeJack] #4547711
10/18/17 08:59 PM
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OneEyeJack Offline OP
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One thing that may be helping my fuel mileage while spinning the engine would be the exhaust system. There are a DC 4-1 exhaust header and a TRD exhaust system.

I don't know the difference because this xB came with all this already installed. The engine has 132K miles on the clock so it's at least well broken in and loose yet does not burn oil enough to show up on the dipstick.

So far I like the seating position and steering wheel placement and with the TRD shift kit, the throws are short. It's fun to drive and I do enjoy the manual gearbox.

Re: Spinning an engine [Re: OneEyeJack] #4547936
10/19/17 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
I have a new to me 2006 Scion xB, 5-speed manual with the 1NZ-FE 1.5L motor with a chain drive camshaft and VVT on the intake side.

My question is about spinning that engine. I just finished a hot weather desert trip (90-105F) of 500 miles on open roads at speeds from 65-85 mph with the a/c on full blast. That meant that this little engine was spinning at 4-5K rpm for quite a while. I got 36 mpg for the trip and the level moved on the dipstick such a tiny amount it was difficult to measure. The oil is left over Red Line 0w-30 from my other vehicles and the oil filter is a Mobil 1 103.

I'm just wondering how long this engine will last spinning like that.
Had a new 67 VW Beetle,1500cc engine, same size engine as the Scion, ran it for 5 years hard, and sold it with about 100k miles and did well...you will be ok..


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