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#4546402 - 10/17/17 04:23 PM VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2
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Registered: 06/27/17
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Hey all.

Here is the VOA for QSUD 5W-30. I couldnt find one since PQIAs 2015 VOA, so hopefully this will be of some interest. This is the green bottle, Dexos 1 Gen 2 formula. I can post the bottling date whenever I get home, if wanted. I did order the TBN, but that was not included. I will post the number when they respond.

Initial thoughts from my untrained eye: moly has been cut back from their 2014 formula by about 100 ppm, but it still offers a decent amount. It has a decent bit of boron which is nice to see and includes a decent helping of calcium. However, zinc and phosphorus seem pretty low to me. This is what I'm most interested yo hear feed back on.

Enjoy!


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#4546406 - 10/17/17 04:31 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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Calcium is roughly half what it was in 2013 and 2015, as one might expect in an oil designed to quench LSPI. Sort of looks like a VOA of M1 5W30.
I am also surprised that the ZDDP-related levels are so low.
Thanks very much for posting this!
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#4546424 - 10/17/17 04:51 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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I haven't seen this in stores yet. It looks like this is something I can buy along with M1. I imagine PP will be similiar

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#4546434 - 10/17/17 05:14 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: bigj_16]
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Calcium is roughly half what it was in 2013 and 2015, as one might expect in an oil designed to quench LSPI. Sort of looks like a VOA of M1 5W30.
I am also surprised that the ZDDP-related levels are so low.
Thanks very much for posting this!

No problem! I also expected less calcium, but did not expect such low ZDDP.
Originally Posted By: bigj_16
I haven't seen this in stores yet. It looks like this is something I can buy along with M1. I imagine PP will be similiar

I found it at Walmart, but my local AAP and AZ have it as well.

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#4546437 - 10/17/17 05:19 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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Thanks Justin for sharing the VOA smile
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#4546440 - 10/17/17 05:24 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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Wow - I didn't think formula's would change this much!

Now QSUD looks just like M1!

I guess high Ca detergent really IS on the outs with LSPI issues.
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#4546459 - 10/17/17 05:48 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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Great post OP! Thanks!

At lease we know the folks at SOPUS are onboard with lowering Ca to lessen LSPI events. I'm sure with the coming VOA from other brands, we'll see the same.
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#4546643 - 10/17/17 08:31 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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I had no idea QSUD had just reformulated with magnesium ....like a M1 20/30 grade. Guess I won't be buying that any more. I wonder if they did the same thing with the Defy, Advanced Durability too? The zinc and phos levels are on the weak side too. On the plus side the viscosity is higher at 11.47....well above the old number of 10.1. It's also possible this VOA was not done well. Why the big jump in viscosity?

One previous rule was that Sopus stayed with no magnesium and no sodium oils. That appears to have changed. Will Pennz Plat be next? No wonder AAP was clearing this stuff out. What about cars that don't have an LSPI issue? I hope they keep at least one of their brands as high calcium. Seems very odd that this is the first time anyone noticed there's Magnesium in QSUD.

Recent UOA of the older 2016/2017 version I assume ....quite a big difference.
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#4546663 - 10/17/17 08:52 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: 69GTX]
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Originally Posted By: 69GTX
I had no idea QSUD had just reformulated with magnesium ....like a M1 20/30 grade. Guess I won't be buying that any more. I wonder if they did the same thing with the Defy, Advanced Durability too? The zinc and phos levels are on the weak side too. On the plus side the viscosity is higher at 11.47....well above the old number of 10.1. It's also possible this VOA was not done well. Why the big jump in viscosity?

One previous rule was that Sopus stayed with no magnesium and no sodium oils. That appears to have changed. Will Pennz Plat be next? No wonder AAP was clearing this stuff out. What about cars that don't have an LSPI issue? I hope they keep at least one of their brands as high calcium. Seems very odd that this is the first time anyone noticed there's Magnesium in QSUD.


Recent UOA of the older 2016/2017 version I assume ....quite a big difference.





With gen 2 all the brands are headed in this direction. You might have to look for non-gen 2 certified oils if calcium is that important.
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#4547701 - 10/18/17 09:41 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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I really like the look of this. They are addressing the LSPI issue even better than the M1.

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#4547948 - 10/19/17 07:50 AM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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Addressing it better than M1? How so?
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#4548202 - 10/19/17 11:44 AM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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A little less calcium, A little more moly, maybe a little more visco. Incremental.

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#4548261 - 10/19/17 12:31 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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Yes, but but you wrote 'better'. Have you seen a Mobil1 dex1Gen2 TDS to compare the two? I haven't but would love to.
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#4548540 - 10/19/17 05:45 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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Here is the updated VOA with TBN which was 9.3. That's actually a little better than I was expecting and IMO a good showing for QSUD. I'm still a bit pit off by the low ZDDP, but I guess we can't have everything. I'll include here as well that this was bottled on 21 September 2017.


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#4548568 - 10/19/17 06:24 PM Re: VOA- Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30 D1Gen2 [Re: JustN89]
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Resource conserving= lower zinc
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